Because 'the legal thing' is the topic of discussion. Have you read the entire thread? The issue is that there are some (you and falconhater for sure it would appear) that are ready to drop the hammer on Ben and wish some pretty horrible things on him based on nothing more than your own assessment of the situation and the word of 2 or 3 admittedly far-past-drunk college girls who made statements to the police, some of which can't be deciphered because they were beyond wasted when the wrote it! My point, as if you didn't know, is that those kinds of things went out with witch hunts, but you boys have at it - and pray you're never falsely accused right? LOL

Ben is stupid. On that I think we all agree, but the 'hang 'em high' attitude went out with witch hunts in the 1600's. You two guys should get hip with the program.

I'm glad you like to LOL. Because you laughing shows how crazy you are. Two basic questions for you. Since you asked if I read the whole thread I will ask you a question. Show me where I display a hang em high attitude and say Ben should be punished. Don't quote 4 paragraphs of text. Since you accuse me of it, I challenge you to quote in this thread where I say he should be punished. Go ahead, take your time.

Secondly, you just spouted off paragraphs about the SC. Does this make the statement I made about the presumption of innocence not being in the constitution incorrect? Both these questions are simple so you should be able to handle them. Well, we shall see.

Ben was not charged for the crime of sexual assault in the eyes of the law. That is not the same as innocent.

Dude, jumping in behind falconhater was your mistake. That you can possibly find a way to argue with - not my words - but the law of the land, which is what you're debating against since I've said nothing in this thread that wasn't purely based on perception in the eyes of the law, says everything that needs to be said. You have lost this 'debate', whether you know it or not. It's ok by me if you wanna tell yourself otherwise. Whatever helps you sleep big man.

The presumption of innocence not being in the constitution is irrelevant, and in fact is pointless to the discussion. You found that in Wikipedia and made the mistake of thinking it proved your misguided point, however the Supreme Court smacked that down for you. All I did was copy and paste big fella.

Now, you wanna debate me do ya? Pick the topic, but pick something you know about ok, 'cause it's pretty clear all you know about this particular topic is what you can find on
Wikipedia. I'd like to say I welcome the challenge, but in all honesty I don't think 'challenge' is the right word.


Well how about you answer the questions I posed? I knew you wouldn't

Now, before we're done here, allow me to show you where you goofed, k?



Dead wrong...IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. Not being charged = innocent IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. Until such time as a guilty verdict is read in court the accused is INNOCENT IN THE EYES OF THE LAW, and should you disagree, then tell me bright one, what it is, exactly, that he is: 'kinda innocent' - 'partially guilty' - IN THE EYES OF THE LAW?. Yes, I am laughing at your 'superior' debating abilities oh barrister of brilliance. L O L

Don't believe me. Pick a random lawyer and ask 'em, and then be man enough to come back to this thread and be humble, confess your ignorance, and apologize for wasting my time.

I don't know if I should be more fascinated by the dismantling of the Steelers or potential of the potent team the Jets are putting together. After we deflated the Jets in the Dome, they went on and handled their business pretty well last year. They might be a serious threat (again) this year around.

Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice.

Dude just give it up...what comes around goes around..If Ben is guilty he will answer for it ..and Karma is a *****...

Seems to me that this thread is EVIDENCE of a wrong in our society and the basis for why some women avoid trials and others run to get a lawyer and handle thing is a civil suit. Ben has been in TWO situations in 18 months where he has been named as Sexually assualting a female. This builds a pattern of behavior or lack of judgement. In the present case some on this board have hidden, slightly in talk of legal jargon, attacks to the character of the victim She was drunk so she cant have been raped or assualted right. and her friends were drunk so theyu cant be telling the truth about bodygaurds preventing them from helping their friend. but we MUST AT ALL COST defend the HONOR of BEN innocent until proven guilty. Once maybe he is a target but twice... And are these "Bodygaurds" or goons securing victims. Seems that been thinks he is a lord in a Feudal system of government I.E. 1600's and should gwet 1600's justice.

Accuser says Roethlisberger's 'bodyguards' complicit in alleged rape

After reading this I can't see why charges of some kind were not filed there is enough there in the eyse of multiple witnesses to charge. I understand that eye witness testimony is suspect but this woman didnt try to sue she went to the cops the night it happened WHy. Now when she does sue she will be labeled as a gold digger looking to get paid. Truth is the system failed her. ANd I still dont understand how the Video got Erased cops with ben Cops in Georgia... cover up???