MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER

Rugby Saint II · 05-09-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

woody · 05-09-2010, 03:10 PM

I believe Dan Dalrymple is considered one of the best strength and conditioning coaches, so I'm not too worried.

Crusader · 05-09-2010, 04:52 PM

Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football

Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for.

If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill.

The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-09-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for.

If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill.

The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.

HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better...

Stop. The more you type stuff, the deeper you dig yourself in. It is just mind-boggling that you would made statements like that.

One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym.

Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them.

Crusader · 05-10-2010, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better...

How many standouts has there been in higschool that didn't go to college because they were a little to slow or a little to weak but good and solid footballplayers. The same happens between college and the pros, guys that has been stars are quickly disregarded because they run two tenths of a second to slow on the 40 yard dash. You see it happen every year.

The point I'm trying to make is the fact that there are thousand and thousands of really good footballplayers out there who lack the physical tools to take the game to the next level. I never said athletic ability is the ONLY thing you need but that it is very important. Of course there will always be guys who has all the physical tools like Vick or Gholston but that can't get it together on the field.

One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym.

I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. Depending on what philosophy you have when it comes to lifting people tend to combine that with the either the olympic lifts, snatch, clean, jerk etc or with other auxillary lifts.

What I refer to when I say MMA training is closer to crossfit but not quite there either. Still it involves a lot of complex exercises, high reps and high intensity, a lot of dynamic stretching (close to MAQ I would say). And yes also the martial art part of it, the kicking but especially the punching.

Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport.

Actually a lot of studies shows that practising multiple sports is really good, a good example is combining football and track and field. The track will help you improve your speed if you are a WR or say an OL who is a shotputter wil get more explosive and also work a lot of balance.

I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them

Yes you can get fluent hips doing football drills. i personally believe that there is more effective ways thou. And when it comes to stretching the latest research shows that dynamic stretching is the best.

There has also been a lot of research on th etopic of taped ankles and most information seems to say that taping your ankles actually makes it harder for you to make cuts and most importantly increases the risk for knee injuries since you lock on joint that would otherwise help you to not get yor leg in angles that might cause injuries.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift.

I am going to stop you right there, and point blank tell you, you have never been around a real football program.

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 12:20 PM

How about this? If it is catching on in the NFL with coaches who actually understand the concept then it may have some value. As far as being picked first my point is that it made me a better athlete. I'm quite confident in my abilities and believe that you just don't get it. You have your opinion and I understand how you could feel that way, but once again I don't believe that you understand the concept.

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 07:16 PM

TR you obviously don't know much about Martial Arts. This has turned into an argument and no one is going to convince you that it has merit in football. Remember this though, you don't have the experience in Martial Arts to really argue your point effectively. Whether you like it or not Martial Arts are moving into the world of football. You'll just have to deal with it. You have made a valid point or two, just not enough to compensate for your lack of knowledge.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

TR you obviously don't know much about Martial Arts. This has turned into an argument and no one is going to convince you that it has merit in football. Remember this though, you don't have the experience in Martial Arts to really argue your point effectively. Whether you like it or not Martial Arts are moving into the world of football. You'll just have to deal with it. You have made a valid point or two, just not enough to compensate for your lack of knowledge.

Again, as I mentioned before, I do have a blue sash in Wushu. Obviously you either didn't read that part, or just ignored it, or you don't know what Wushu is. Wushu happens to be the name of Chinese Martial Arts, better known now as Kung Fu ( I just like to call them by their original name).

And again, I have absolutely no problem with anyone practicing Martial Arts. I practice them. But for anyone to say that Martial Arts training is going to give you better football skills than football drills/training, that is just dumb. Will Martial Arts make you a better athlete? Sure! Will it give you more football skills as compared to football drills? No.

And yet again, sure you can take certain things from one sport and apply them to others, after all when you play sports you use your arms, legs, head, body to kick, throw, run, punch, etc. so it is only logical that you would be able to apply certain things to many different sports, but that is only on the athletic side, not the skill side. I will again give you the example of George St. Pierre playing Tennis against Maria Sharapova. Athletically, no comparison. Yet, I bet you anything you want that, in a Tennis match, Maria sleep-walks through humiliating GSP on a Tennis court. Or is it that it only applies to football?

For someone who claims to be a "Martial Arts teacher" you should know better than this. What makes you learn Martial Arts and advance in ranks and master your style? Repetition of the forms. Same thing that makes you a better football player, repetition of the forms. Now I am really questioning your statement about being a MA teacher, or who the hell gave you a rank in anything.

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Again, as I mentioned before, I do have a blue sash in Wushu. Obviously you either didn't read that part, or just ignored it, or you don't know what Wushu is. Wushu happens to be the name of Chinese Martial Arts, better known now as Kung Fu ( I just like to call them by their original name).

And again, I have absolutely no problem with anyone practicing Martial Arts. I practice them. But for anyone to say that Martial Arts training is going to give you better football skills than football drills/training, that is just dumb. Will Martial Arts make you a better athlete? Sure! Will it give you more football skills as compared to football drills? No.

And yet again, sure you can take certain things from one sport and apply them to others, after all when you play sports you use your arms, legs, head, body to kick, throw, run, punch, etc. so it is only logical that you would be able to apply certain things to many different sports, but that is only on the athletic side, not the skill side. I will again give you the example of George St. Pierre playing Tennis against Maria Sharapova. Athletically, no comparison. Yet, I bet you anything you want that, in a Tennis match, Maria sleep-walks through humiliating GSP on a Tennis court. Or is it that it only applies to football?

For someone who claims to be a "Martial Arts teacher" you should know better than this. What makes you learn Martial Arts and advance in ranks and master your style? Repetition of the forms. Same thing that makes you a better football player, repetition of the forms. Now I am really questioning your statement about being a MA teacher, or who the hell gave you a rank in anything.

You aren't qualified to question me. If you don't understand just say so.
Let's not make this personal.....oh wait you have to have a personality first. It's simple....You're a freakin' idiot. You question my skills without having any of you own.

Now remember you're the one who isn't qualified not me.
If you would like to meet me to discuss this in person please let me know when and where. This has gotten ugly and it's a reflection of your personality.

05-09-2010, 10:23 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb. I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked. You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

05-09-2010, 03:10 PM	#2
woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER I believe Dan Dalrymple is considered one of the best strength and conditioning coaches, so I'm not too worried.
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05-09-2010, 04:52 PM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,031	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for. If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill. The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.
	W.T. Sherman is my favorite General. After all he did order Atlanta to be burned to the ground.

05-09-2010, 05:59 PM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for. If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill. The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability. HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better... Stop. The more you type stuff, the deeper you dig yourself in. It is just mind-boggling that you would made statements like that. One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym. Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-10-2010, 04:05 AM	#5
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,031	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better... How many standouts has there been in higschool that didn't go to college because they were a little to slow or a little to weak but good and solid footballplayers. The same happens between college and the pros, guys that has been stars are quickly disregarded because they run two tenths of a second to slow on the 40 yard dash. You see it happen every year. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that there are thousand and thousands of really good footballplayers out there who lack the physical tools to take the game to the next level. I never said athletic ability is the ONLY thing you need but that it is very important. Of course there will always be guys who has all the physical tools like Vick or Gholston but that can't get it together on the field. One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym. I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. Depending on what philosophy you have when it comes to lifting people tend to combine that with the either the olympic lifts, snatch, clean, jerk etc or with other auxillary lifts. What I refer to when I say MMA training is closer to crossfit but not quite there either. Still it involves a lot of complex exercises, high reps and high intensity, a lot of dynamic stretching (close to MAQ I would say). And yes also the martial art part of it, the kicking but especially the punching. Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. Actually a lot of studies shows that practising multiple sports is really good, a good example is combining football and track and field. The track will help you improve your speed if you are a WR or say an OL who is a shotputter wil get more explosive and also work a lot of balance. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them Yes you can get fluent hips doing football drills. i personally believe that there is more effective ways thou. And when it comes to stretching the latest research shows that dynamic stretching is the best. There has also been a lot of research on th etopic of taped ankles and most information seems to say that taping your ankles actually makes it harder for you to make cuts and most importantly increases the risk for knee injuries since you lock on joint that would otherwise help you to not get yor leg in angles that might cause injuries.
	W.T. Sherman is my favorite General. After all he did order Atlanta to be burned to the ground.

05-10-2010, 04:46 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. I am going to stop you right there, and point blank tell you, you have never been around a real football program.

05-10-2010, 12:20 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER How about this? If it is catching on in the NFL with coaches who actually understand the concept then it may have some value. As far as being picked first my point is that it made me a better athlete. I'm quite confident in my abilities and believe that you just don't get it. You have your opinion and I understand how you could feel that way, but once again I don't believe that you understand the concept.

05-10-2010, 07:16 PM	#8
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER TR you obviously don't know much about Martial Arts. This has turned into an argument and no one is going to convince you that it has merit in football. Remember this though, you don't have the experience in Martial Arts to really argue your point effectively. Whether you like it or not Martial Arts are moving into the world of football. You'll just have to deal with it. You have made a valid point or two, just not enough to compensate for your lack of knowledge.

05-10-2010, 07:57 PM	#9
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II TR you obviously don't know much about Martial Arts. This has turned into an argument and no one is going to convince you that it has merit in football. Remember this though, you don't have the experience in Martial Arts to really argue your point effectively. Whether you like it or not Martial Arts are moving into the world of football. You'll just have to deal with it. You have made a valid point or two, just not enough to compensate for your lack of knowledge. Again, as I mentioned before, I do have a blue sash in Wushu. Obviously you either didn't read that part, or just ignored it, or you don't know what Wushu is. Wushu happens to be the name of Chinese Martial Arts, better known now as Kung Fu ( I just like to call them by their original name). And again, I have absolutely no problem with anyone practicing Martial Arts. I practice them. But for anyone to say that Martial Arts training is going to give you better football skills than football drills/training, that is just dumb. Will Martial Arts make you a better athlete? Sure! Will it give you more football skills as compared to football drills? No. And yet again, sure you can take certain things from one sport and apply them to others, after all when you play sports you use your arms, legs, head, body to kick, throw, run, punch, etc. so it is only logical that you would be able to apply certain things to many different sports, but that is only on the athletic side, not the skill side. I will again give you the example of George St. Pierre playing Tennis against Maria Sharapova. Athletically, no comparison. Yet, I bet you anything you want that, in a Tennis match, Maria sleep-walks through humiliating GSP on a Tennis court. Or is it that it only applies to football? For someone who claims to be a "Martial Arts teacher" you should know better than this. What makes you learn Martial Arts and advance in ranks and master your style? Repetition of the forms. Same thing that makes you a better football player, repetition of the forms. Now I am really questioning your statement about being a MA teacher, or who the hell gave you a rank in anything.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-10-2010, 08:25 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Again, as I mentioned before, I do have a blue sash in Wushu. Obviously you either didn't read that part, or just ignored it, or you don't know what Wushu is. Wushu happens to be the name of Chinese Martial Arts, better known now as Kung Fu ( I just like to call them by their original name). And again, I have absolutely no problem with anyone practicing Martial Arts. I practice them. But for anyone to say that Martial Arts training is going to give you better football skills than football drills/training, that is just dumb. Will Martial Arts make you a better athlete? Sure! Will it give you more football skills as compared to football drills? No. And yet again, sure you can take certain things from one sport and apply them to others, after all when you play sports you use your arms, legs, head, body to kick, throw, run, punch, etc. so it is only logical that you would be able to apply certain things to many different sports, but that is only on the athletic side, not the skill side. I will again give you the example of George St. Pierre playing Tennis against Maria Sharapova. Athletically, no comparison. Yet, I bet you anything you want that, in a Tennis match, Maria sleep-walks through humiliating GSP on a Tennis court. Or is it that it only applies to football? For someone who claims to be a "Martial Arts teacher" you should know better than this. What makes you learn Martial Arts and advance in ranks and master your style? Repetition of the forms. Same thing that makes you a better football player, repetition of the forms. Now I am really questioning your statement about being a MA teacher, or who the hell gave you a rank in anything. You aren't qualified to question me. If you don't understand just say so. Let's not make this personal.....oh wait you have to have a personality first. It's simple....You're a freakin' idiot. You question my skills without having any of you own. Now remember you're the one who isn't qualified not me. If you would like to meet me to discuss this in person please let me know when and where. This has gotten ugly and it's a reflection of your personality.

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