MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 12:33 PM

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE]

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.

Give GSP a tennis racket, and have him play a couple sets against, I don't know, Maria Sharapova. How many games do you think GSP is going to win? Hey, he's a superior athlete, right? This super-athlete, against sweet Maria, not even a contest, correct?: he can out-run her, out-jump her, out-punch her...

Most likely, Sharapova could sit on a chair and have GSP swing at air runing all over the place most of the time. Why would that be? SKILL!!

Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period.

At the highest level of any sport, all the participants have more or less equal athletic abilities. What separates good players from bad-average players, is skills. What separates good players from superstars, is an innate ability to play a game, and that innate ability cannot be taught or obtained by any sort of training.

CantonLegend · 05-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period.

this is simply not true

i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport

just like judo or most other martial arts

it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking

if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that

of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

this is simply not true

i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport

just like judo or most other martial arts

it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking

if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that

of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you

Canton, my man.
Do you understand what you quoted?
Do you even practice judo? What's your degree?

Now, please, PLEASE tell me, how does judo help you:
run better routes?
catch a football? Tap your toes on the side-line?
throw a football accurately? or longer? Or just throw the damned thing in a spiral?
keep up with a WR?
make you decide whether you break to the inside or the outside?
kick a field goal from 40 yards out? Or a onside kick?
read a defense?
recognize a hole in the defense?
not fumble the ball?
how does an o-lineman take anyone down without getting a holding penalty?
I can come up with more, but I am just dying to hear this...

CantonLegend · 05-10-2010, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Canton, my man.
Do you understand what you quoted?
Do you even practice judo? What's your degree?

Now, please, PLEASE tell me, how does judo help you:
run better routes?
catch a football? Tap your toes on the side-line?
throw a football accurately? or longer? Or just throw the damned thing in a spiral?
keep up with a WR?
make you decide whether you break to the inside or the outside?
kick a field goal from 40 yards out? Or a onside kick?
read a defense?
recognize a hole in the defense?
not fumble the ball?
how does an o-lineman take anyone down without getting a holding penalty?
I can come up with more, but I am just dying to hear this...

TR....let me let you in on a secret that you NEED to hear

you have no idea what you are talking about

do martial arts help you? of course....they can make your hands stronger to grip better as a WR, RB, TE, OL, LB, S, QB, DT, DE, CB.....did i miss anything?

as far as judo....look up judo.....train in judo for a few weeks....then tell me it doesnt help because until you do, you have absolutely no idea what you are actually saying

do i practice judo? not anymore, but i have in the past.....i do recommend judo to any offensive lineman i coach because it teaches you how to grab and take an opponent down

oh and as far as the offensive line goes, there is holding on every single play....the difference is where you hold....if you can manipulate a defensive players momentum and use their weight against them you can do lots of different things that you will never learn on a football field

but dont let my facts get in the way of your stubborness....you never have before

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

as far as judo....look up judo.....train in judo for a few weeks....then tell me it doesnt help because until you do, you have absolutely no idea what you are actually saying

do i practice judo? not anymore, but i have in the past.....i do recommend judo to any offensive lineman i coach because it teaches you how to grab and take an opponent down

Right here, Canton, you are full of ****.

Again, I have a blue sash in Kung Fu that took me YEARS to get because my Sifu didn't get sashes away like most American "schools".

No true Martial Art is learned in "a few weeks". The first "few weeks" in my qwoon was learn how to stretch and try to hold a beginners' horse stance for 20 minutes. If you think you learned a hold or a strike in "a few weeks", go ask for your money back.

And last: if an o-lineman grabs and takes down an opponent, that is a 10 yard holding penalty.

CantonLegend · 05-10-2010, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Right here, Canton, you are full of ****.

Again, I have a blue sash in Kung Fu that took me YEARS to get because my Sifu didn't get sashes away like most American "schools".
No true Martial Art is learned in "a few weeks". The first "few weeks" in my qwoon was learn how to stretch and try to hold a beginners' horse stance for 20 minutes. If you think you learned a hold or a strike in "a few weeks", go ask for your money back.

lol if you question my knowledge then you do so ignorantly

it took me 2 years to claim a yellow belt in judo.....why? because my instructor knew what he was doing....however, in that time i learned more about takin down a person than anything i learned in football my entire life

And last: if an o-lineman grabs and takes down an opponent, that is a 10 yard holding penalty.

lol....watch any play....go ahead.....watch any play......in NFL history

now when you are watching the offensive line, for what is probably the first time in your life, take note of their hand placements and the action of their fists

you'll notice they clutch the underside of the defenders shoulder pads......not on the outside of their body, because that would be a holding penalty.....but in tight where holding IS NOT CALLED.....you'll notice that allows the offensive linemen to control the defender and push them whereever they can.

it is in this moment that judo comes in handy....you dont learn punches or kicks in judo, instead you learn how to manipulate momentum.....like ive been saying

they can take a person who is moving forward(defender) and use their forward momentum to unbalance them and take them down......which you are allowed to do in football.....its called a pancake brother

05-10-2010, 12:33 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE] I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.
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05-10-2010, 05:10 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument. Give GSP a tennis racket, and have him play a couple sets against, I don't know, Maria Sharapova. How many games do you think GSP is going to win? Hey, he's a superior athlete, right? This super-athlete, against sweet Maria, not even a contest, correct?: he can out-run her, out-jump her, out-punch her... Most likely, Sharapova could sit on a chair and have GSP swing at air runing all over the place most of the time. Why would that be? SKILL!! Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period. At the highest level of any sport, all the participants have more or less equal athletic abilities. What separates good players from bad-average players, is skills. What separates good players from superstars, is an innate ability to play a game, and that innate ability cannot be taught or obtained by any sort of training.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-10-2010, 05:22 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period. this is simply not true i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport just like judo or most other martial arts it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

05-10-2010, 05:34 PM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by CantonLegend this is simply not true i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport just like judo or most other martial arts it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you Canton, my man. Do you understand what you quoted? Do you even practice judo? What's your degree? Now, please, PLEASE tell me, how does judo help you: run better routes? catch a football? Tap your toes on the side-line? throw a football accurately? or longer? Or just throw the damned thing in a spiral? keep up with a WR? make you decide whether you break to the inside or the outside? kick a field goal from 40 yards out? Or a onside kick? read a defense? recognize a hole in the defense? not fumble the ball? how does an o-lineman take anyone down without getting a holding penalty? I can come up with more, but I am just dying to hear this...
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill Last edited by Tobias-Reiper; 05-10-2010 at 05:36 PM..

05-10-2010, 07:34 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Canton, my man. Do you understand what you quoted? Do you even practice judo? What's your degree? Now, please, PLEASE tell me, how does judo help you: run better routes? catch a football? Tap your toes on the side-line? throw a football accurately? or longer? Or just throw the damned thing in a spiral? keep up with a WR? make you decide whether you break to the inside or the outside? kick a field goal from 40 yards out? Or a onside kick? read a defense? recognize a hole in the defense? not fumble the ball? how does an o-lineman take anyone down without getting a holding penalty? I can come up with more, but I am just dying to hear this... TR....let me let you in on a secret that you NEED to hear you have no idea what you are talking about do martial arts help you? of course....they can make your hands stronger to grip better as a WR, RB, TE, OL, LB, S, QB, DT, DE, CB.....did i miss anything? as far as judo....look up judo.....train in judo for a few weeks....then tell me it doesnt help because until you do, you have absolutely no idea what you are actually saying do i practice judo? not anymore, but i have in the past.....i do recommend judo to any offensive lineman i coach because it teaches you how to grab and take an opponent down oh and as far as the offensive line goes, there is holding on every single play....the difference is where you hold....if you can manipulate a defensive players momentum and use their weight against them you can do lots of different things that you will never learn on a football field but dont let my facts get in the way of your stubborness....you never have before
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

05-10-2010, 10:36 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by CantonLegend as far as judo....look up judo.....train in judo for a few weeks....then tell me it doesnt help because until you do, you have absolutely no idea what you are actually saying do i practice judo? not anymore, but i have in the past.....i do recommend judo to any offensive lineman i coach because it teaches you how to grab and take an opponent down Right here, Canton, you are full of ****. Again, I have a blue sash in Kung Fu that took me YEARS to get because my Sifu didn't get sashes away like most American "schools". No true Martial Art is learned in "a few weeks". The first "few weeks" in my qwoon was learn how to stretch and try to hold a beginners' horse stance for 20 minutes. If you think you learned a hold or a strike in "a few weeks", go ask for your money back. And last: if an o-lineman grabs and takes down an opponent, that is a 10 yard holding penalty.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-10-2010, 10:50 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Right here, Canton, you are full of ****. Again, I have a blue sash in Kung Fu that took me YEARS to get because my Sifu didn't get sashes away like most American "schools". No true Martial Art is learned in "a few weeks". The first "few weeks" in my qwoon was learn how to stretch and try to hold a beginners' horse stance for 20 minutes. If you think you learned a hold or a strike in "a few weeks", go ask for your money back. lol if you question my knowledge then you do so ignorantly it took me 2 years to claim a yellow belt in judo.....why? because my instructor knew what he was doing....however, in that time i learned more about takin down a person than anything i learned in football my entire life And last: if an o-lineman grabs and takes down an opponent, that is a 10 yard holding penalty. lol....watch any play....go ahead.....watch any play......in NFL history now when you are watching the offensive line, for what is probably the first time in your life, take note of their hand placements and the action of their fists you'll notice they clutch the underside of the defenders shoulder pads......not on the outside of their body, because that would be a holding penalty.....but in tight where holding IS NOT CALLED.....you'll notice that allows the offensive linemen to control the defender and push them whereever they can. it is in this moment that judo comes in handy....you dont learn punches or kicks in judo, instead you learn how to manipulate momentum.....like ive been saying they can take a person who is moving forward(defender) and use their forward momentum to unbalance them and take them down......which you are allowed to do in football.....its called a pancake brother
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

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