MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER

Crusader · 05-09-2010, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Are you serious? So, are you saying that MMA training can be better than football drills for improving one's skills at playing football?

Absolutely.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-09-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Absolutely.

Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

Rugby Saint II · 05-09-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

I comprehend the skills just fine. I have a blue sash in Wushu. And I played football in HS in a very good program. So I do comprehend the skills. And please tell me you didn't compare playing organized football with whatever is it that you get picked first to play.

This is getting ridiculous. Being a better athlete will help you play when playing any sport, but practicing one sport is not going to give you better skills at another sport.

You people make it sound as if football drills don't make you a better athlete.

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.

FatCitySaint · 05-10-2010, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.

I'm staying outta this lol.....but this was a good one....hard to argue with that one...lol.....sorry

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 12:33 PM

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE]

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.

Give GSP a tennis racket, and have him play a couple sets against, I don't know, Maria Sharapova. How many games do you think GSP is going to win? Hey, he's a superior athlete, right? This super-athlete, against sweet Maria, not even a contest, correct?: he can out-run her, out-jump her, out-punch her...

Most likely, Sharapova could sit on a chair and have GSP swing at air runing all over the place most of the time. Why would that be? SKILL!!

Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period.

At the highest level of any sport, all the participants have more or less equal athletic abilities. What separates good players from bad-average players, is skills. What separates good players from superstars, is an innate ability to play a game, and that innate ability cannot be taught or obtained by any sort of training.

CantonLegend · 05-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period.

this is simply not true

i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport

just like judo or most other martial arts

it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking

if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that

of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you

05-09-2010, 03:51 PM	#1
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Are you serious? So, are you saying that MMA training can be better than football drills for improving one's skills at playing football? Absolutely.

05-09-2010, 04:11 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader Absolutely. Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

05-09-2010, 10:23 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb. I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked. You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

05-10-2010, 06:22 AM	#4
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked. You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills. I comprehend the skills just fine. I have a blue sash in Wushu. And I played football in HS in a very good program. So I do comprehend the skills. And please tell me you didn't compare playing organized football with whatever is it that you get picked first to play. This is getting ridiculous. Being a better athlete will help you play when playing any sport, but practicing one sport is not going to give you better skills at another sport. You people make it sound as if football drills don't make you a better athlete. Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.
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05-10-2010, 06:29 AM	#5
FatCitySaint Where y'at baby Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Nashville via Metry!!!! Posts: 191	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football. I'm staying outta this lol.....but this was a good one....hard to argue with that one...lol.....sorry

05-10-2010, 12:33 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE] I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.
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05-10-2010, 05:10 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument. Give GSP a tennis racket, and have him play a couple sets against, I don't know, Maria Sharapova. How many games do you think GSP is going to win? Hey, he's a superior athlete, right? This super-athlete, against sweet Maria, not even a contest, correct?: he can out-run her, out-jump her, out-punch her... Most likely, Sharapova could sit on a chair and have GSP swing at air runing all over the place most of the time. Why would that be? SKILL!! Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period. At the highest level of any sport, all the participants have more or less equal athletic abilities. What separates good players from bad-average players, is skills. What separates good players from superstars, is an innate ability to play a game, and that innate ability cannot be taught or obtained by any sort of training.
	'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

05-10-2010, 05:22 PM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period. this is simply not true i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport just like judo or most other martial arts it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you
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