saintfan

I have not commented on this thread and on this subject and as a result have awarded myself this here dancing broccoli.

st thomas

heel saintfan,heel boy. lol

skymike

aw, come on, SF, since when are you shy about controversy? Is it me? Dude, most of my friends think I'm full O' Crap, not to mention crazy. (I am.) I'll bet you have something really interesting to say. Besides, we already disagree about Aaron Brooks, remember? Jump in, man!

SaintPauly

And I can be completely wrong, as VY might be a super nice guy, who had a bad moment. I still say athletes should not hang out in t***y bars. Its bad publicity. makes you look like a loser. He can afford to hire his own strippers to come to his house, keeping him out of the news, and out of the public eye.


Seriously Mike? Then all that would happen is the strippers would accuse him of rape. Its actually getting to the point, where if you are a professional athlete, the only way to protect yourself from false accusations, and scrutiny, is to take the same oaths as monks. There is nothing wrong with t***y bars, or strip clubs bro. I've worked in them for the past 15 years. They are not as bad as everyone thinks they are. The problem VY has, is that he is a celebrity, and a target for dumba$$E$, who look to incite people like him, in hopes of getting a payday. That's all this is, I guarantee you. Mistake by Vince? Yes. But I will put the loser tag where it belongs, on the guy who started it.

What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

skymike

yeah, you're right there, I get that. Thats not much of a solution. Maybe he could just get some hookers instead. They like to lay low. I dont think Michael Irvin had any problems until the police came in. None of his ho's ever pulled the sexual harassment card.
I live across the street from 3 of them, so no I dont think anythings wrong with them, but I think somethings wrong with guys who chronically hang out there. I honestly think those dudes are looking for love, and cant talk to regular girls, which is pathetic. "Here's some cash- please love me." I think even athletes are doing this. Remember, they're 20-something.***

Bear in mind, I auditioned to DJ in several myself, so its not like I wouldnt work in one. (I got hired by my last real gig, the same day a strip bar called back) You can also say I know what the inside of those places looks like. I've had an interesting life.

As far as the girls, lets get real, man. Single moms paying their way thru college? You know and I know they're feeding their drug habit. If they werent blowing every dime they made, I'd say it was a great American enterprise. My old neighbors were strippers. Some of them were sweet girls, but it was endless drama, POS boyfriends, and they simply could not get their sh** together, no matter how much cash the raked in.

The lucky ones get out of the biz somehow, a lot of the rest become more dysfunctional from their drugs, cant keep a job, and become available for much less money as street whores. Apparently really lucky ones become Texans cheerleaders.

I'm glad we have strip bars, just as I'm glad we have porn places everywhere. Imagine what some dudes would do if they didnt have somewhere to release. *** Im glad we have the freedom to go somewhere and be "entertained," as Im sure you will argue here. Sure, there are times when all I want is, in the words of Foxworthy, "a beer, and to see something nekkid."

And you know what? Im glad we have little towns where all they have is churches and a lake to go fishing. Some idiot on my old board was crying about how you couldnt buy butt-plugs in Mississsippi. (east to guess what board that was, huh?) Well thats easy. Dont live in MS if you need butt-plugs. America is great because you can live wherever your personal style works. You can live in the middle of "everything" or in the middle of "nowhere."

Personally, I had more fun in the middle of nowhere. Its a well guarded secret how much there is to do in the sticks. .... and how little it costs.
Is it my imagination, or did I see him shove a woman? You gotta be a little bothered by how violent he got over what? a diss? cmon. I hope it was a rare, uncharacteristic moment.

Not every woman in the world is a gold digger. Not every woman cares about celebrity either. Why cant these guys just talk to regular girls? just askin.

saintfan

I've been called out...er somthing. LOL

Ok, ok. I'll chime in, but I have to admit I have avoided this topic because it appears to me to be a whole lot of hot air. I read the articles. I watched the video, and here's my take <drum roll>:

But wait. Let me qualify myself. I've been a patron at, and I have also worked for, a number of bars and honky tonks that friends of mine would not go to because of their 'reputation'. "Hey man, people get CUT in there". You get the idea. I had a fantastic time too I should add.

So at 40 (okay, okay, at 41), here's what I know that I didn't know at 20 or at least didn't really care: Bars are dangerous places. Strip Clubs can be even worse. Of course I'm not talking about your local watering hole necessarily, but trouble can be found there too.

What do you get when you mix alcohol and young men full of testosterone (or old men in a crisis) and women dressed 'to impress'? You get trouble - that's what you get. Everybody's is bigger than everybody else's, right? Vince Young got in a bar fight. Well...heh...now THERE'S some front page news. I used to keep a stick (the butt end of a pool stick) in the booth with me to beat 'em off the light console. They fight over anything and everything.

Don't look at my girlfriend.
Don't talk about my mama.
Don't tell me a Chevy is better than a Ford.
Don't say anything negative about "Freebird".
Hey, you gotta CALL that bank on the eight.

Any of this silliness, and lots of things MUCH sillier, and it's on like Donky Kong. Or, as what appears to have been the case with VY, somebody was mocking somebody's College. That, too, will get you whacked in the head.

So, my opinion <another drum roll>: There is nothing to see here. This is boys being boys (notice I didn't say "Men", because real men don't do this crap), and VY needs to grow up. Maybe he'll live long enough to realize that...and maybe he won't. Most of my friends grew up and grew out of it. Some didn't. Some are still strutting around the honky tonks, chest stuck out, beer in hand, and looking for someone to cross them sideways...at 40. Okay, okay, 41. Some are dead as a direct result of their failure to grow on up.

You're not shutting down the bars, so you better get a stomach for this kind of stuff. VY is no different than any of us, and most of us have been there and done that and ripped off the t-shirt in an effort to impress somebody. It happens all over the world, and if people were on the moon it would happen there too.

We should stop the and do a little more of the and then we'd have some and then, at the end of the night, instead of being beat up and in need of medical attention or bail money, all we'd be is .

That's my .02.

Oh, and Zooey doesn't like brawls in bars.

C'mon Man...

skymike

This is a complete bull**** myth. Potheads will fly into a rage too, sometimes at a completely ridiculous time. BUT--- this is funny as hell, so, I'm glad you posted it! Art it is.
ok... you nailed me to the wall on that one. I knew this guy that walked around with his sleeves rolled up, a big fuzzy mullet, cholo-man mustache & drug-cartel dangling earring, thinking women wanted him, and being 6 feet tall and bullet-proof. Not to mention an embarrassing intolerance for alcohol. He looked exactly like me in my 20's. damn look-alikes.
Its funny all the things we thought about women that we're completely opposite of true. They really dont like macho displays.

really great post SF, Im glad I called you out.

Pauly, you make a lot of sense too.

anybody else? lets hear you.

skymike

btw, dont I get any dancing broccoli for using the terms "butt plugs" and "Mississippi" in the same sentence?

saintfan

But only because their azzholes by nature, not because they're stoned. There is such a thing as liquid courage, but there's no such thing as smoke courage...or whatever...but this would be an entirely different thread. LOL

papz

Dancing broccoli revoked.