Asante Samuel may be a good fit for the Saints

BGWhoDat · 02-17-2012, 03:01 PM

Asante Samuel is scheduled to make over $8 million next year with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Prior to last season he was reportedly being shopped for a pair of second round draft picks.

Since the Eagles already have Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie and Samuel is 31 years old, it's expected they won't retain him.

If Samuel hits the market, I believe the Saints should take a close look at him and possibly make a trade.

Could the New Orleans Saints trade for Eagles CB Asante Samuel?

papz · 02-17-2012, 03:03 PM

Financially he'd be a terrible fit... especially at this point in time.

BGWhoDat · 02-17-2012, 03:11 PM

If the New Orleans Saints cut DE Will Smith and MLB Jonathan Vilma before the 15th day of the league year, the Saints would free up $11.35 million dollars in salary cap space.

At the age of 31, he could negotiate a price that could make it an option for the Saints to afford him if he is willing to restructure after the trade. If not, if we free up some cap space depending on how the negotiations go with our top three and who we lose, it might be worth the money.

alleycat_126 · 02-22-2012, 06:30 AM

Both Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma will have to restructure true, but I don't see either one getting cut this season. Here are the some good reasons why you may still see them in the black and gold sorry to kill it for you!!!

Vilma:

1. The main reason Vilma will stick around is Joe Vitt!! Vitt loves Vilma, and Shanle for that matter as long as Shawn isn't changing assistant head coaches I think Vilma who isn't the worst of the linebackers gets a chance to fully recover from the knee issues that were bothering him last season.

2. His pay directly counts against the cap. Whomever you bring in at the Linebacker is in addition to what Vilma is making. Say you wave Vilma and bring in (my favorite) D,Qwell Jackson ( franchise tag) you will have to pay the franchise tag penalty what ever picks that would be and that players salary, and Vilma's. Way to expensive if you ask me. But they do if they are desperate for change. I don't think we are at that point yet!!!

Smith:

1. Will's making to much, we all know that but in a Spags defense you know what's a comodity!!! Defensive Ends!!!! You can't have enough of good DE's. So I think you'll see him take a pay cut, yes, but I don't see him leaving? Nope

2. Experience

Romeus - no field time
Jordan - 1 year experience
Mcbride - leaving
Drafted Rookie - no NFL field time
Trust me you need Will Smith's leadership right now!!!!

Danno · 02-22-2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

Both Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma will have to restructure true, but I don't see either one getting cut this season. Here are the some good reasons why you may still see them in the black and gold sorry to kill it for you!!!

Vilma:

1. The main reason Vilma will stick around is Joe Vitt!! Vitt loves Vilma, and Shanle for that matter as long as Shawn isn't changing assistant head coaches I think Vilma who isn't the worst of the linebackers gets a chance to fully recover from the knee issues that were bothering him last season.

2. His pay directly counts against the cap. Whomever you bring in at the Linebacker is in addition to what Vilma is making. Say you wave Vilma and bring in (my favorite) D,Qwell Jackson ( franchise tag) you will have to pay the franchise tag penalty what ever picks that would be and that players salary, and Vilma's. Way to expensive if you ask me. But they do if they are desperate for change. I don't think we are at that point yet!!!

Smith:

1. Will's making to much, we all know that but in a Spags defense you know what's a comodity!!! Defensive Ends!!!! You can't have enough of good DE's. So I think you'll see him take a pay cut, yes, but I don't see him leaving? Nope

2. Experience

Romeus - no field time
Jordan - 1 year experience
Mcbride - leaving
Drafted Rookie - no NFL field time
Trust me you need Will Smith's leadership right now!!!!

Agree except I think McBride stays for the same reason you mentioned concerning Spagnoulo. McBride is still young at 26 and he's cheap.

halloween 65 · 02-22-2012, 09:45 AM

For Vilmas and Smiths production last year {keep in mind it was their 3rd season in GW's system and got worse, not better} they need to go, if they are the ones teaching {captains} our younger guys, I'll take my chances with somebody else. And Vitt might have eat to many Vikes. and his judgement is imparred if he thinks those 2 are doing their job. Ellis also.

BGWhoDat · 02-22-2012, 09:51 AM

I understand your points, but:

Vilma: I think we can agree on the Saints not bringing in a D'Qwell Jackson (who will be tagged) that's a given. But if the Saints have a chance at someone paid like Vilma, younger, more productive, why wouldn't they? The franchise needs to put theirselves in a position to win. As much as Vitt may like him, it still doesn't mean he won't leave.

Smith: Smith will leave if he doesn't take a pay cut. His productivity isn't worth it. In 2011 he was the highest paid player on the roster. So there's a legit chance he could leave. Spag may want to keep him but I bet not at the price tag he has.

As far as Samuel goes, do I think he would be a good fit? Yes. Do I think that it's a possibility? Sure. GM's look at all possibilities.

I simply stated of ways (such as cutting Smith and Vilma, that figure was from ESPN.com report) for it to happen.

They aren't likely to get a top dollar cornerback via FA, but as a writer we have to look at all possibilities and give people things to think about. It was an interesting article and there's always possibilities it could happen but in all likelihood it won't.

alleycat_126 · 02-22-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

For Vilmas and Smiths production last year {keep in mind it was their 3rd season in GW's system and got worse, not better} they need to go, if they are the ones teaching {captains} our younger guys, I'll take my chances with somebody else. And Vitt might have eat to many Vikes. and his judgement is imparred if he thinks those 2 are doing their job. Ellis also.

How easily we forget, one down year does not kill a career's worth of production grasshopper. Vilma is a terrific linebacker, one of the smartest linebackers in the league. He had a down year coming off of a knee injury and was still in and out of the line up when he was in. BTW the people we picked up to protect our linebacking core Rodgers, Franklin did not pan out. Rodgers won't be back, Franklin may get another shot, but it's unlikely. Shanle on the other hand, should have been released when Fujita left.

Will Smith has been a mainstay on that D line almost since SP got here and as long as he is willing to take a cut he ain't going nowhere. I do see youth taking over in 2012-2013 with players like Romeus, Jordan, Wilson but you just can't disreguard a player like Smith.

BGWhoDat · 02-22-2012, 10:54 AM

It doesn't change the fact that the Saints were better with Dunbar filling in than with Vilma playing. Could he be better after he heals? Sure. But it's not for certain so the Saints may think of replacing him. Vilma won't be a backup, so they may go younger and replace him. Even if it means resigning Dunbar to fill that role. Shanle will be a Saint. On top of Vitt liking him, Spagnuolo tried to get him from the Saints (last year I believe).. So he likely will stay.

There's far better DE's out there in the league for the price Smith gets. It's either restructure or cut. The Saints are tight on money and they can't afford to pay him the way his contract is without being a Pro Bowl type DE.

halloween 65 · 02-22-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by alleycat_126

How easily we forget, one down year does not kill a career's worth of production grasshopper. Vilma is a terrific linebacker, one of the smartest linebackers in the league. He had a down year coming off of a knee injury and was still in and out of the line up when he was in. BTW the people we picked up to protect our linebacking core Rodgers, Franklin did not pan out. Rodgers won't be back, Franklin may get another shot, but it's unlikely. Shanle on the other hand, should have been released when Fujita left.

Will Smith has been a mainstay on that D line almost since SP got here and as long as he is willing to take a cut he ain't going nowhere. I do see youth taking over in 2012-2013 with players like Romeus, Jordan, Wilson but you just can't disreguard a player like Smith.

This grasshopper would still take his chances on more productive players, Vilmas done he comes out of the gate strong but all the other horses seem to just pass him by{Dunbar}. Smith for that production for that money someone could come in and actually produce. Try the last 2 years as far as production goes for Vilma not just 1. Grasshopper has spoken my son!!

02-17-2012, 03:01 PM	#1
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	Asante Samuel may be a good fit for the Saints Asante Samuel is scheduled to make over $8 million next year with the Philadelphia Eagles. Prior to last season he was reportedly being shopped for a pair of second round draft picks. Since the Eagles already have Asomugha and Rodgers-Cromartie and Samuel is 31 years old, it's expected they won't retain him. If Samuel hits the market, I believe the Saints should take a close look at him and possibly make a trade. Could the New Orleans Saints trade for Eagles CB Asante Samuel?

02-17-2012, 03:03 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,756	Financially he'd be a terrible fit... especially at this point in time. SapperSaint and BGWhoDat like this.

02-22-2012, 06:30 AM	#4
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Both Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma will have to restructure true, but I don't see either one getting cut this season. Here are the some good reasons why you may still see them in the black and gold sorry to kill it for you!!! Vilma: 1. The main reason Vilma will stick around is Joe Vitt!! Vitt loves Vilma, and Shanle for that matter as long as Shawn isn't changing assistant head coaches I think Vilma who isn't the worst of the linebackers gets a chance to fully recover from the knee issues that were bothering him last season. 2. His pay directly counts against the cap. Whomever you bring in at the Linebacker is in addition to what Vilma is making. Say you wave Vilma and bring in (my favorite) D,Qwell Jackson ( franchise tag) you will have to pay the franchise tag penalty what ever picks that would be and that players salary, and Vilma's. Way to expensive if you ask me. But they do if they are desperate for change. I don't think we are at that point yet!!! Smith: 1. Will's making to much, we all know that but in a Spags defense you know what's a comodity!!! Defensive Ends!!!! You can't have enough of good DE's. So I think you'll see him take a pay cut, yes, but I don't see him leaving? Nope 2. Experience Romeus - no field time Jordan - 1 year experience Mcbride - leaving Drafted Rookie - no NFL field time Trust me you need Will Smith's leadership right now!!!! Danno and QBREES9 like this.

02-22-2012, 09:19 AM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,725	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 Both Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma will have to restructure true, but I don't see either one getting cut this season. Here are the some good reasons why you may still see them in the black and gold sorry to kill it for you!!! Vilma: 1. The main reason Vilma will stick around is Joe Vitt!! Vitt loves Vilma, and Shanle for that matter as long as Shawn isn't changing assistant head coaches I think Vilma who isn't the worst of the linebackers gets a chance to fully recover from the knee issues that were bothering him last season. 2. His pay directly counts against the cap. Whomever you bring in at the Linebacker is in addition to what Vilma is making. Say you wave Vilma and bring in (my favorite) D,Qwell Jackson ( franchise tag) you will have to pay the franchise tag penalty what ever picks that would be and that players salary, and Vilma's. Way to expensive if you ask me. But they do if they are desperate for change. I don't think we are at that point yet!!! Smith: 1. Will's making to much, we all know that but in a Spags defense you know what's a comodity!!! Defensive Ends!!!! You can't have enough of good DE's. So I think you'll see him take a pay cut, yes, but I don't see him leaving? Nope 2. Experience Romeus - no field time Jordan - 1 year experience Mcbride - leaving Drafted Rookie - no NFL field time Trust me you need Will Smith's leadership right now!!!! Agree except I think McBride stays for the same reason you mentioned concerning Spagnoulo. McBride is still young at 26 and he's cheap.

02-22-2012, 10:10 AM	#8
alleycat_126 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Katy, Tx a suburb of Houston Posts: 2,089	Originally Posted by halloween 65 For Vilmas and Smiths production last year {keep in mind it was their 3rd season in GW's system and got worse, not better} they need to go, if they are the ones teaching {captains} our younger guys, I'll take my chances with somebody else. And Vitt might have eat to many Vikes. and his judgement is imparred if he thinks those 2 are doing their job. Ellis also. How easily we forget, one down year does not kill a career's worth of production grasshopper. Vilma is a terrific linebacker, one of the smartest linebackers in the league. He had a down year coming off of a knee injury and was still in and out of the line up when he was in. BTW the people we picked up to protect our linebacking core Rodgers, Franklin did not pan out. Rodgers won't be back, Franklin may get another shot, but it's unlikely. Shanle on the other hand, should have been released when Fujita left. Will Smith has been a mainstay on that D line almost since SP got here and as long as he is willing to take a cut he ain't going nowhere. I do see youth taking over in 2012-2013 with players like Romeus, Jordan, Wilson but you just can't disreguard a player like Smith.

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02-17-2012, 03:11 PM	#3
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	If the New Orleans Saints cut DE Will Smith and MLB Jonathan Vilma before the 15th day of the league year, the Saints would free up $11.35 million dollars in salary cap space. At the age of 31, he could negotiate a price that could make it an option for the Saints to afford him if he is willing to restructure after the trade. If not, if we free up some cap space depending on how the negotiations go with our top three and who we lose, it might be worth the money.

02-22-2012, 09:45 AM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	For Vilmas and Smiths production last year {keep in mind it was their 3rd season in GW's system and got worse, not better} they need to go, if they are the ones teaching {captains} our younger guys, I'll take my chances with somebody else. And Vitt might have eat to many Vikes. and his judgement is imparred if he thinks those 2 are doing their job. Ellis also.

02-22-2012, 09:51 AM	#7
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	I understand your points, but: Vilma: I think we can agree on the Saints not bringing in a D'Qwell Jackson (who will be tagged) that's a given. But if the Saints have a chance at someone paid like Vilma, younger, more productive, why wouldn't they? The franchise needs to put theirselves in a position to win. As much as Vitt may like him, it still doesn't mean he won't leave. Smith: Smith will leave if he doesn't take a pay cut. His productivity isn't worth it. In 2011 he was the highest paid player on the roster. So there's a legit chance he could leave. Spag may want to keep him but I bet not at the price tag he has. As far as Samuel goes, do I think he would be a good fit? Yes. Do I think that it's a possibility? Sure. GM's look at all possibilities. I simply stated of ways (such as cutting Smith and Vilma, that figure was from ESPN.com report) for it to happen. They aren't likely to get a top dollar cornerback via FA, but as a writer we have to look at all possibilities and give people things to think about. It was an interesting article and there's always possibilities it could happen but in all likelihood it won't.

02-22-2012, 10:54 AM	#9
BGWhoDat Who Dat Writer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 241	It doesn't change the fact that the Saints were better with Dunbar filling in than with Vilma playing. Could he be better after he heals? Sure. But it's not for certain so the Saints may think of replacing him. Vilma won't be a backup, so they may go younger and replace him. Even if it means resigning Dunbar to fill that role. Shanle will be a Saint. On top of Vitt liking him, Spagnuolo tried to get him from the Saints (last year I believe).. So he likely will stay. There's far better DE's out there in the league for the price Smith gets. It's either restructure or cut. The Saints are tight on money and they can't afford to pay him the way his contract is without being a Pro Bowl type DE.

02-22-2012, 10:55 AM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Originally Posted by alleycat_126 How easily we forget, one down year does not kill a career's worth of production grasshopper. Vilma is a terrific linebacker, one of the smartest linebackers in the league. He had a down year coming off of a knee injury and was still in and out of the line up when he was in. BTW the people we picked up to protect our linebacking core Rodgers, Franklin did not pan out. Rodgers won't be back, Franklin may get another shot, but it's unlikely. Shanle on the other hand, should have been released when Fujita left. Will Smith has been a mainstay on that D line almost since SP got here and as long as he is willing to take a cut he ain't going nowhere. I do see youth taking over in 2012-2013 with players like Romeus, Jordan, Wilson but you just can't disreguard a player like Smith. This grasshopper would still take his chances on more productive players, Vilmas done he comes out of the gate strong but all the other horses seem to just pass him by{Dunbar}. Smith for that production for that money someone could come in and actually produce. Try the last 2 years as far as production goes for Vilma not just 1. Grasshopper has spoken my son!! BGWhoDat likes this.

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