Tebow asks actress to remove pics of him

Crusader · 05-24-2012, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Well the fact that he never backs down despite being constantly bashed, tells me he's not faking it. I think he definitely practices what he preaches.

I hated him at Florida, just because he was a gator, but I do have respect for him now.

burningmetal · 05-25-2012, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

You calling me stupid? What have you done to make a difference in the world. You can bash a man for his beliefs all day long, but it doesn't make you right. If he were nothing but a phony, he would have backed away after being criticized so much. But he knows as do all Christians, including myself, that bashing is just a sign of the times. People would rather believe in aliens than God. But you won't catch any of us telling people they're stupid for believing what they do. We just make it known who and what we are and what we stand for, and often we are labeled as haters, simply because it isn't popular anymore to answer to something other than yourself.

All have the right to whatever they choose to believe. But you don't choose the consequences. This is a rare time that you'll see me preaching on my faith, because I know this is a Saints forum. But I don't think it would be right for me to say nothing when someone implies I'm stupid without adding anything substantive to the conversation.

saintfan · 05-25-2012, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

You calling me stupid? What have you done to make a difference in the world. You can bash a man for his beliefs all day long, but it doesn't make you right. If he were nothing but a phony, he would have backed away after being criticized so much. But he knows as do all Christians, including myself, that bashing is just a sign of the times. People would rather believe in aliens than God. But you won't catch any of us telling people they're stupid for believing what they do. We just make it known who and what we are and what we stand for, and often we are labeled as haters, simply because it isn't popular anymore to answer to something other than yourself.

All have the right to whatever they choose to believe. But you don't choose the consequences. This is a rare time that you'll see me preaching on my faith, because I know this is a Saints forum. But I don't think it would be right for me to say nothing when someone implies I'm stupid without adding anything substantive to the conversation.

I have to wonder this about Tebow, and again, I'm not bashing the guy. I like him. He grew on me. And I have no problem whatsoever with him taking a knee as a way to celebrate his touchdowns.

As I said (and this is clarify my position only) in another Tebow thread a while back, I do the Catholic crucifix (head to chest, then left shoulder to right) followed by a quick point skyward at least twice a day, right before I put my bike into first gear and start my morning and afternoon commutes. It's done in public, but it is personal. I do it for obvious reasons, and I'm still alive which, considering the way I ride sometimes could be deemed a small miracle. I am non-denominational for anyone who is curious.

But I wonder, if Tebow were a regular guy - if he wasn't scoring touchdowns - would he make a public display of his beliefs when he made it safely to work. Would he 'take a knee' once he arrived safely to the parking lot? Would he stop and pray publicly for some regular thing that happened to him every day?

I mean, I don't know if he would. Further I don't care. Well, it isn't that I don't care. What I mean to say is that I wouldn't be personally offended if I were to see someone taking a knee in the parking garage every day. Whatever.

I know you weren't addressing me. It's cool. I just cannot help but question someone who goes out of his or her way to let us all know what he or she thinks or believes. Again, I have no problem with it, but my initial response is to doubt that person's sincerity. I've known too many blowhards in my time. They're usually selling something.

So when Tebow does what he does I'm reminded of what my Grandpa used to say about gays and lesbians. He said, "You know, I don't care what they do, but why do they have to shove it in everybody's face the way they do? Why can't they just do what they do in their own homes? Why do they have to come to the end of my driveway and make me recognize that they're doing whatever it is they're doing?"

LOL. Of course there were no lesbians doing sexual things at the end of his driveway - hell he might have enjoyed that - but, as I'm sure you know, his mindset was and still is, you know, do what you do, but don't make a public display out of it. Have some respect for other people.

Now, in Tebow's case, I'm sure in HIS mind he is putting on display his love for his Savior, and in 1001 ways I applaud him for it. I wish more people would do it.

On the other hand, in Kurt Warner's case, he always answered questions willingly about his religion and made no secret of it. He is widely known as a religious man, but it's not an image he went out of his way to market. His actions OFF the field measured his devotion. His success ON the field was the result of his beliefs OFF the field.

At the end of the day, when I think about Kurt Warner I think of a guy who is a quality human being who genuinely cares about his fellow man, who takes care of his family, who is probably a very loving and caring father and step father, and who is a man I would be proud for my son to admire, for what he did on the field, but far more importantly the way he behaved OFF the field.

Nothing against Tebow. He just smacks to me of a church youth councilor who is so overcome with religion that he lacks a true understanding of it. I could be wrong. Hell in Tebow's case I probably am wrong. I don't dislike the guy. I have no problem at all with what he does. I'm just not sold on him completely. And you know what? When he woke up this morning my not being sold on him never crossed his mind. LOL Rock on Tim!

sharke · 05-25-2012, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

On the other hand, in Kurt Warner's case, he always answered questions willingly about his religion and made no secret of it. He is widely known as a religious man, but it's not an image he went out of his way to market.

I want to steal this quote and make it my own. To me that is what always separated authenticity versus marketing.

05-24-2012, 12:31 PM	#1
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,046	Originally Posted by burningmetal Well the fact that he never backs down despite being constantly bashed, tells me he's not faking it. I think he definitely practices what he preaches. I hated him at Florida, just because he was a gator, but I do have respect for him now.

05-25-2012, 04:22 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by Crusader You calling me stupid? What have you done to make a difference in the world. You can bash a man for his beliefs all day long, but it doesn't make you right. If he were nothing but a phony, he would have backed away after being criticized so much. But he knows as do all Christians, including myself, that bashing is just a sign of the times. People would rather believe in aliens than God. But you won't catch any of us telling people they're stupid for believing what they do. We just make it known who and what we are and what we stand for, and often we are labeled as haters, simply because it isn't popular anymore to answer to something other than yourself. All have the right to whatever they choose to believe. But you don't choose the consequences. This is a rare time that you'll see me preaching on my faith, because I know this is a Saints forum. But I don't think it would be right for me to say nothing when someone implies I'm stupid without adding anything substantive to the conversation.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

05-25-2012, 09:33 AM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by burningmetal You calling me stupid? What have you done to make a difference in the world. You can bash a man for his beliefs all day long, but it doesn't make you right. If he were nothing but a phony, he would have backed away after being criticized so much. But he knows as do all Christians, including myself, that bashing is just a sign of the times. People would rather believe in aliens than God. But you won't catch any of us telling people they're stupid for believing what they do. We just make it known who and what we are and what we stand for, and often we are labeled as haters, simply because it isn't popular anymore to answer to something other than yourself. All have the right to whatever they choose to believe. But you don't choose the consequences. This is a rare time that you'll see me preaching on my faith, because I know this is a Saints forum. But I don't think it would be right for me to say nothing when someone implies I'm stupid without adding anything substantive to the conversation. I have to wonder this about Tebow, and again, I'm not bashing the guy. I like him. He grew on me. And I have no problem whatsoever with him taking a knee as a way to celebrate his touchdowns. As I said (and this is clarify my position only) in another Tebow thread a while back, I do the Catholic crucifix (head to chest, then left shoulder to right) followed by a quick point skyward at least twice a day, right before I put my bike into first gear and start my morning and afternoon commutes. It's done in public, but it is personal. I do it for obvious reasons, and I'm still alive which, considering the way I ride sometimes could be deemed a small miracle. I am non-denominational for anyone who is curious. But I wonder, if Tebow were a regular guy - if he wasn't scoring touchdowns - would he make a public display of his beliefs when he made it safely to work. Would he 'take a knee' once he arrived safely to the parking lot? Would he stop and pray publicly for some regular thing that happened to him every day? I mean, I don't know if he would. Further I don't care. Well, it isn't that I don't care. What I mean to say is that I wouldn't be personally offended if I were to see someone taking a knee in the parking garage every day. Whatever. I know you weren't addressing me. It's cool. I just cannot help but question someone who goes out of his or her way to let us all know what he or she thinks or believes. Again, I have no problem with it, but my initial response is to doubt that person's sincerity. I've known too many blowhards in my time. They're usually selling something. So when Tebow does what he does I'm reminded of what my Grandpa used to say about gays and lesbians. He said, "You know, I don't care what they do, but why do they have to shove it in everybody's face the way they do? Why can't they just do what they do in their own homes? Why do they have to come to the end of my driveway and make me recognize that they're doing whatever it is they're doing?" LOL. Of course there were no lesbians doing sexual things at the end of his driveway - hell he might have enjoyed that - but, as I'm sure you know, his mindset was and still is, you know, do what you do, but don't make a public display out of it. Have some respect for other people. Now, in Tebow's case, I'm sure in HIS mind he is putting on display his love for his Savior, and in 1001 ways I applaud him for it. I wish more people would do it. On the other hand, in Kurt Warner's case, he always answered questions willingly about his religion and made no secret of it. He is widely known as a religious man, but it's not an image he went out of his way to market. His actions OFF the field measured his devotion. His success ON the field was the result of his beliefs OFF the field. At the end of the day, when I think about Kurt Warner I think of a guy who is a quality human being who genuinely cares about his fellow man, who takes care of his family, who is probably a very loving and caring father and step father, and who is a man I would be proud for my son to admire, for what he did on the field, but far more importantly the way he behaved OFF the field. Nothing against Tebow. He just smacks to me of a church youth councilor who is so overcome with religion that he lacks a true understanding of it. I could be wrong. Hell in Tebow's case I probably am wrong. I don't dislike the guy. I have no problem at all with what he does. I'm just not sold on him completely. And you know what? When he woke up this morning my not being sold on him never crossed his mind. LOL Rock on Tim!
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05-25-2012, 10:12 AM	#4
sharke evil decepticon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 583	Originally Posted by saintfan On the other hand, in Kurt Warner's case, he always answered questions willingly about his religion and made no secret of it. He is widely known as a religious man, but it's not an image he went out of his way to market. I want to steal this quote and make it my own. To me that is what always separated authenticity versus marketing.

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