saintfan

Hey man. I even cut Jimmy Swaggart some slack. I can dig it. LOL

mutineer10

If you don't want a photo out there, DON'T POSE FOR IT!!!

I know Tebow ain't no rocket scientist, but jeez ...

QBREES9

Bill Cliton just posed with some Porn Actress, I don't think he cares.

sharke

Tebow's pr machine is insane. has been since he was playing in HS. It's a brand first and foremost.

burningmetal

I have no problem with the way Kurt Warner handles himself. But as a good a guy as he may be, I think more people, including myself, should strive to be more public in praising God. It takes courage in this day in age. And Please take note of how I say public in praising God.

We're not talking about a guy who is saying "you have to be like me, don't you wish you were like me?". When I think of someone shoving something down people's throats that is what comes to mind. You don't see people marching for Christian rights. But what you do have is people marching to take away the sanctity of what is a Christian value, or institution as some like to call it. And that is Marriage. They are devaluing the meaning of marriage by trying to push Gay marriage on this country. But instead of marriage being what you do to make your relationship pure in the eyes of God, as is supposed to be the intention, it has become just a legal thing.

Tim isn't forcing anyone to change themselves or what they believe. He just makes a point of thanking God for what he has instead of giving himself all the credit when he has success. Telling someone they can't thank God in public is an attempt to make that person comply with what you believe, or disbelieve. I don't agree with homosexuality, and some don't agree with Christianity, but if gay people can go on tv and be applauded by society for being "brave" by publicly admitting their homosexuality, then I don't get why a person is supposed to keep his mouth shut about loving God.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

burningmetal

And to be clear, before someone tries to say I hate gay people, I have a gay uncle who I think is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. It isn't at all that he is a bad person, but I fear for his eternal soul if he doesn't realize the error in his rebelling against God. My uncle claims to be a christian, and thinks that just because he loves God he should be ok. But just as in a relationship, you can't say you love someone and then do things that you are explicitly told not to do. Any sin committed that is not repented of will not be forgiven. We are supposed to ask for forgiveness. The thing about homosexuality that stands out, is that it isn't just a mistake someone makes in passing. It is a whole lifestyle being lived every single day of their lives, and they are deliberately defying the value of marriage as it was intended.

I wish nothing but the best for people in this world. If God had said it was ok to be gay, then I'd be cool with it even if I didn't understand it. But I didn't create the world, and therefore I don't make the rules. And for those that believe that there is no God, you are entitled to that belief. But I'd like to ask you to give me a legitimate reason why I should believe that all matter around us, with the exact conditions and distance from the sun for people to be alive on this plant, is simply the result from some grand cosmic fart.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

SapperSaint

Metal; I don't think Crusader was calling you "Stuipid". There just isn't a "smiley" that says "I'm with you".

Here is a little tid bit with athletes and religion. This is a true story.

There is a young man that is a senior this year in po'dunk MS, that is being hounded by MLB teams and countless Division 1 all the way down to JUCO colleges. This kid is the real deal, as far as baseball goes. My brother in law is one of those coaches. This 18 yr old kid has given every coach the same reply. "Coach, I have been called to be a preacher. I thank you for wanting me to play for your team, but I have been called to do God's will."

Everyone is calling this kid crazy for passing up millions of dollars. I think we are the ones that are crazy and that this young man is the only one thinking clearly.

Religion is a touchy subject. We don't need to get all fired up brothers and sisters. We are here for the Saints and that is what makes this site great. Lets remember that before we type something we will regret.

Sapper

"We are number one. All others are number two, or lower."
-The Sphinx
http://blackandgold.com/groups/28-ou...tsman-s-corner

burningmetal

I don't regret anything I said. I stated what I believe, and stand by it. I'm not looking for an argument, but as this thread seems to be about Tebow and the stance he takes, I didn't feel that it was inappropriate to talk about these things.

SapperSaint

You are 100% right. I'm glad to see you do it!

I just want people to remember why they are here. We all have different back grounds and beliefs. I love to see people express their opinion as long as it doesn't start getting personal and ugly.

Good post Metal.

Mardigras9

I'm with you metal, I hated him when he was a Gator too.