Only elite qb's throw for 40+ TDs a season, though.

Cut the kid some slack.... He hasn't even hit his prime yet... after all, Peyton Manning started off 0-3 in the playoffs too, all of them, blowout losses. They both had a perfect score on the wonderlic coming in from college. Their great knowledge and understanding of the game at such young ages make them so much alike. That's why we run the no huddle offense, the same offense Peyton Manning ran as a young qb. Our old OC let Matt Ryan call some plays on certain drives, and I think Matt Ryan did a better job of calling plays than our old OC.

Frankly, I think their OC should've just kept his mouth shut, and not mention any ranking. What's the point? You can't put him up there with the money QB's (and by money I don't mean salary) so why even bother? Why even mention "top 10"? Out of 32 starting QBs? That's not even a compliment. Top 5? Ok, that would be a compliment, but I am sure, had the OC made that comment, the laughter heard around the league would've been much louder... pretty sure Ryan himself would've LOL'd.

.. and there you go with the Prisco comparison. Unfortunately, that comparison is only valid in that Manning started 0-3 in the playoffs, and that's where it ends.

And the Colts did not lose all games in blowouts.
1999 16-19 against the Titans
2000 23-17 against the Dolphins in OT


... but you just keep on listening to Prisco.

Matt Ryan finished 5th in ESPN's total QBR rating last year. :D

ESPN? :rolleyes:

I don't care how good his stats are. I don't care if he was the best QB in the league(lmao)..you are on a Saints forum and you are not going to get any love no matter what..you are the ENEMY!! Sry bro..just the way it is..

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!

I understood that from the beginning... but you can't deny Matt Ryan's a top 10 qb. :/

yes we can; for no other reason than he's a Falcon... :doh:

This thread has established that Matt Ryan is (barely) above average.

Another failcone fan strikes again...

LMAO..sure I can. ALL DAY EVERY DAY!!! Talk to me when he has won something other than a regular season game.

Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Manning, Roethlesburger, Flacco, Rivers, Schaub, Cutler...Off the top of my head, all better than Shatty Ice. So yeah, I can deny he's a top ten QB.

Baby steps pal. Win a playoff game, then come back w/ your "supposed" top ten QB.

Sure you can. There's already been several lists with peoples opinions of top 10 quarterbacks. All good lists. So you can see how some would consider him outside the top 10. You might not agree but that's up to the person making the list.

Just going by passer rating alone, he's at the ragged edge of top 10.

Ryan rates 12th in completion percentage (possibly the most important stat for a quarterback)
He rates 15th in yards/att (another very important stat)

Not captured in the passer ratings is how he does at the end of halves and 4th quarters when the game is close. Ryan's numbers, completion % specifically and his passer rating in general fall off considerably. Definitely not something you'd expect to see in a top 10 quarterback.

And of course there's the reason he's called "Noodle Arm". Look at his completion percentage of passes over 20 yards. It's terrible. Julio Jones and Harry Douglas COULD be serious deep threats for the dirty birds, but as long as Ryan is throwing the ball, we'll never really know.

You can look at stats anyway you want to pick out what's most important to you but, in my opinion, it's a hard sell to say he's top 10.

Well, good for you! You dug up a stat!
Then again, there is the "other" stat, the passer rating stat, on the same ESPN website, that has no Matt Ryan anywhere between 1 and 5.

2011 NFL Statistics - National Football League - ESPN
NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN

I guess you can pick and choose which stat you want to use, which stat is more valid than the other, which stat makes you feel better, etc etc etc.

The one thing I know is that, in crunch time, neither Brees, nor Brady, nor the Mannings, etc. look at best overwhelmed, at worst scared, like Matty Melt does. And there's no stat for that.

Matt Ryan isn't even the centerpiece of his own offense, for Pete's sake.

Matt Ryan is a solid QB, who has had success in the regular season. Be glad you have one of those... don't believe what Prisco and ESPN tell you.

What makes you think he isn't the centerpiece of our offense? If he isn't who is?

Well, of course, every QB has their negatives. (BTW, he finished 11th in completion percentage).

See you in late January.

Your team mainly the offensive line is built to run behind. Your centerpiece is Michael Turner, you've had success when Turner gets his 100 yards. That's why you went 13-3, 2 years ago... You draft Julio Jones and try to turn into a passing team and look what happened

Welcome atitilldie!

I once felt Matt Ryan has been misused by atl's offense. I also realize he is very young and the fact that he's starting in the NFL is impressive.

My biggest gripe with Matt Ryan is a negative others have mentioned - he has a weak arm for the NFL. I'm not talking about completions or how far his completions go down field, I've watched him and I think his arm is underpowered. I feel this limits Matt Ryan and the o-coordinator will probably not make him better.

Matt Ryan is lankey and appears physically weak. Many QB's mentioned, even Flacco, appear physically stronger than Matt Ryan.

I see a Falcon's offense full of ball control where he racks up numbers and completions. That does not establish him in the top 10 QB's.

I thought that was the point of this conversation, comparing those positives and negatives and ranking the quarterbacks based on the results. If we start him off at 8th, based solely on passer rating and then you;

factor in he does not step up in pressure situations, as shown by his numbers in the 4th quarter in close games, his numbers in the final two minutes of halves and fair to poor performances in the playoffs.

and

Add to that his weak arm and horrible completion percentages in passing over 20 yards. (you have to have seen how he lofts the ball when he throws deep)

it becomes very hard to give him the nod over other quarterbacks that have very strong attributes that don't get measured in the passer rating, like Roethlisberger's ability to extend a play and difficulty to bring down or Vick's ability to improvise and make big plays on the ground.

(And he finished 12th in completion percentage. Check the ESPN page
2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN
Then NFL ranking is wrong. Alex Smith finished ahead of him by 4 tenths of a percentage point. The NFL doesn't have a good reputation for getting their facts straight.)

You might use other ways to determine what's important in a quarterback or you may just like view him threw red and black glasses, but..

Can you see how it's easy to say he's NOT in the top ten?

Yes. I could see that all along, but I still believe that he is top 10. Even if the Falcons spend ten years with him and we still can't get a playoff victory, I'm still going support him every single year a keep believing that this kid can take us places. I'm going to have faith in this guy no matter how many things you say he sucks at.

Not anymore. There's been reports all offseason that the Falcons are going to split his carries in half with our #2 back, JacQuizz Rodgers. He'll be getting 10-20 carries with Quizz. We're going to a pass first offense from now on.

Can't blame ya for that. That's what fans do. I stuck up for Aaron Brooks.

You stuck up for this Guy??

I did too..shhhhh

We averaged 30 points a game with that guy.

Damn that video brings back angry feelings :fuming:

if it helps them sleep at night call him top 10. hell call him top 5 for that matter. but just saying it dont make it so and and it wont help the falcons win any more games this year. call him whatever you want but its still performance that wins the games.

Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, Manning, Roethlisberger, Romo, Stafford, Rivers, maybe Ryan. I've got no problem with it.

I think this Coordinator they got from Jacksonville is going to be worse than what they had.

Thats an example of why I think Rodgers is not as good as billed. McCarthy made Brooks look good because of the WR's which coincidentally we sent 3 WRs to the Pro Bowl I think it was 1 year, might of been that same year, Brooks never even made it despite having 30 TDS and 15 ints I think, something along those numbers.