The NO TEBOW zone

Jack Vegas · 06-11-2013, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by xan

If any of you think that Tim Tebow deserves a shot on the Saints' roster, so help me I'll pour Tabasco sauce in your sports undergarments until your genetic traits can't be passed on.

Unless someone has a legitimate argument.... Hah!

Bill Belichick thought he was worth signing on a team that already had Brady and Mallett. It's pretty hard to argue that the Saints have better players on their QB depth chart than the Patriots.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

Bill Belichick thought he was worth signing on a team that already had Brady and Mallett. It's pretty hard to argue that the Saints have better players on their QB depth chart than the Patriots.

No it's not.

Jamessr · 06-11-2013, 08:17 AM

I like Tebow and I'm glad he's with the Patriots.
Would I want him in New Orleans?
I'm glad he's with the Patriots...

Jack Vegas · 06-11-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

No it's not.

You're telling me Brees is a better QB than Brady?

You're telling me Seneca Wallace is better than Mallett?

Come on now.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

You're telling me Brees is a better QB than Brady?

You're telling me Seneca Wallace is better than Mallett?

Come on now.

I'm telling you Brees is better than Brady, and you dont know crap about Mallett since he has a grand total of 4 attempts and 1 completion in the NFL, I would put Wallace on the field before Mallett.

I would put Wallace and McCowan on the field before Mallett, and just out of spite I would start Griffin before Mallett also.

Jack Vegas · 06-11-2013, 11:46 AM

Wallace couldn't even get a job in the NFL last year. "Just out of spite?" Come on, that's stupid. However, for the sake of argument let's said the backups are even.

But if you really want to say Brees is better than Brady, you need to provide some arguments other than just "because I say so." I don't think anybody in their right mind can honestly claim to believe that and I might be the biggest Drew Brees fan here.

The original point stands regardless. If Tebow did not have talent, he would not have been signed by the Patriots, who are far and away the best and most well-run organization in football over the last 10 years. Period.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

I might be the biggest Drew Brees fan here..

Now you are wrong on two accounts.

Drew proves it in the field, I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you.

Jack Vegas · 06-11-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Now you are wrong on two accounts.

Drew proves it in the field, I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you.

LOL.

Brady = 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 wins
Brees = 1 appearance, 1 win

Brady = 2 league MVP's
Brees = 0 league MVP's

Statistically, about the same, except Brees throws way more interceptions.

So if you ignore rings, statistics, and overall acheivement, and are a delusional homer, Then sure, you can say Brees is better than Brady.

I hate having to argue against Brees but come on, let's not be stupid. It does not make you less of a Saints fan to respect other teams and let's face it if anybody deserves respect for his career, it's freaking Tom Brady.

TheOak · 06-11-2013, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

LOL.

Brady = 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 wins
Brees = 1 appearance, 1 win

Brady = 2 league MVP's
Brees = 0 league MVP's

Statistically, about the same, except Brees throws way more interceptions.

So if you ignore rings, statistics, and overall acheivement, and are a delusional homer, Then sure, you can say Brees is better than Brady.

I hate having to argue against Brees but come on, let's not be stupid. It does not make you less of a Saints fan to respect other teams and let's face it if anybody deserves respect for his career, it's freaking Tom Brady.

There is no let(s). I'm not being stupid with you.

First you say statistically even then you offer to ignore statistics. Make up my mind.

Secondly you said the better QB on present depth chart... (is)...that's present tense. Nothing to do with what Brady did in the past unless you want to reference last season as theist recent example.

Presently in the 2013 season I would start Brees over Brady.

Jack Vegas · 06-11-2013, 06:57 PM

Tom Brady 2012: 4827 yards, 63%, 34 TD, 8 INT, 98.7 QBR
Drew Brees 2012: 5177 yards, 63.0%, 43 TD, 19 INT, 96.3 QBR

I don't see how you can qualify Brees as the superior quarterback, either right now or over the course of their respective careers. Any way you look at it - statistically, wins and losses, championships, awards - any way, Brady wins. It's not even really a contest.

Sorry.

Again, it does not make you less of a Saints fan to recognize the accomplishments of others. I'm a reasonable enough person to see the obvious. If you don't want to admit that, it's your problem. Just be aware that you have a really skewed perspective and don't be surprised when you get dismissed by people who know better.

06-11-2013, 04:32 AM	#171
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by xan If any of you think that Tim Tebow deserves a shot on the Saints' roster, so help me I'll pour Tabasco sauce in your sports undergarments until your genetic traits can't be passed on. Unless someone has a legitimate argument.... Hah! Bill Belichick thought he was worth signing on a team that already had Brady and Mallett. It's pretty hard to argue that the Saints have better players on their QB depth chart than the Patriots.
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06-11-2013, 05:56 AM	#172
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by Jack Vegas Bill Belichick thought he was worth signing on a team that already had Brady and Mallett. It's pretty hard to argue that the Saints have better players on their QB depth chart than the Patriots. No it's not.

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Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: The NO TEBOW zone I like Tebow and I'm glad he's with the Patriots. Would I want him in New Orleans? I'm glad he's with the Patriots...

06-11-2013, 11:20 AM	#174
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by TheOak No it's not. You're telling me Brees is a better QB than Brady? You're telling me Seneca Wallace is better than Mallett? Come on now.
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06-11-2013, 11:39 AM	#175
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by Jack Vegas You're telling me Brees is a better QB than Brady? You're telling me Seneca Wallace is better than Mallett? Come on now. I'm telling you Brees is better than Brady, and you dont know crap about Mallett since he has a grand total of 4 attempts and 1 completion in the NFL, I would put Wallace on the field before Mallett. I would put Wallace and McCowan on the field before Mallett, and just out of spite I would start Griffin before Mallett also.

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Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Wallace couldn't even get a job in the NFL last year. "Just out of spite?" Come on, that's stupid. However, for the sake of argument let's said the backups are even. But if you really want to say Brees is better than Brady, you need to provide some arguments other than just "because I say so." I don't think anybody in their right mind can honestly claim to believe that and I might be the biggest Drew Brees fan here. The original point stands regardless. If Tebow did not have talent, he would not have been signed by the Patriots, who are far and away the best and most well-run organization in football over the last 10 years. Period.
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06-11-2013, 12:36 PM	#177
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by Jack Vegas I might be the biggest Drew Brees fan here.. Now you are wrong on two accounts. Drew proves it in the field, I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you.

06-11-2013, 05:23 PM	#178
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by TheOak Now you are wrong on two accounts. Drew proves it in the field, I don't need to. The burden of proof is on you. LOL. Brady = 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 wins Brees = 1 appearance, 1 win Brady = 2 league MVP's Brees = 0 league MVP's Statistically, about the same, except Brees throws way more interceptions. So if you ignore rings, statistics, and overall acheivement, and are a delusional homer, Then sure, you can say Brees is better than Brady. I hate having to argue against Brees but come on, let's not be stupid. It does not make you less of a Saints fan to respect other teams and let's face it if anybody deserves respect for his career, it's freaking Tom Brady. Nemesis likes this.
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06-11-2013, 06:20 PM	#179
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Originally Posted by Jack Vegas LOL. Brady = 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 wins Brees = 1 appearance, 1 win Brady = 2 league MVP's Brees = 0 league MVP's Statistically, about the same, except Brees throws way more interceptions. So if you ignore rings, statistics, and overall acheivement, and are a delusional homer, Then sure, you can say Brees is better than Brady. I hate having to argue against Brees but come on, let's not be stupid. It does not make you less of a Saints fan to respect other teams and let's face it if anybody deserves respect for his career, it's freaking Tom Brady. There is no let(s). I'm not being stupid with you. First you say statistically even then you offer to ignore statistics. Make up my mind. Secondly you said the better QB on present depth chart... (is)...that's present tense. Nothing to do with what Brady did in the past unless you want to reference last season as theist recent example. Presently in the 2013 season I would start Brees over Brady.

06-11-2013, 06:57 PM	#180
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: The NO TEBOW zone Tom Brady 2012: 4827 yards, 63%, 34 TD, 8 INT, 98.7 QBR Drew Brees 2012: 5177 yards, 63.0%, 43 TD, 19 INT, 96.3 QBR I don't see how you can qualify Brees as the superior quarterback, either right now or over the course of their respective careers. Any way you look at it - statistically, wins and losses, championships, awards - any way, Brady wins. It's not even really a contest. Sorry. Again, it does not make you less of a Saints fan to recognize the accomplishments of others. I'm a reasonable enough person to see the obvious. If you don't want to admit that, it's your problem. Just be aware that you have a really skewed perspective and don't be surprised when you get dismissed by people who know better.
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