McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract

TheOak · 07-11-2013, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It doesn't come down to wins and losses when your line is horrible, you have no running game, one wide receiver, no defense, and a losing culture already established. The boy throws his share of picks, and isn't exceptionally accurate, but if Flacco and Romo got all that money he should too. Stafford is the best thing that franchise has ever seen at QB.

Did you read my post? He didn't get all that money, he got some taken away through extension.

His contract had bigger cap hits than Brees.

SloMotion · 07-12-2013, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Donovan = Employment Envy.

That being said

1-23 That is Stafford's career record against teams with winning records. I know some do not like stats but that is a glaring set of numbers.

Yeah, my barber throws that one out there when he wants to yank my chain,

. It is what it is and many a dubious stat can be compiled on the Lions. Methinks Stafford has at least a 50/50 chance of ending his career as one of those talented individuals who never won it all, sans Marino.

Originally Posted by Danno

My memory may be fuzzy, but I've always wondered about the reports and rumors that his teammates didn't like or respect him.

It may be coming into focus now.

I have never heard that, honestly ... I need a reference before I'll bite on that one,

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TheOak · 07-12-2013, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Yeah, my barber throws that one out there when he wants to yank my chain, . It is what it is and many a dubious stat can be compiled on the Lions. Methinks Stafford has at least a 50/50 chance of ending his career as one of those talented individuals who never won it all, sans Marino.

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I used that for two reasons.

1. Just WOW
2. Some players are called good just because they are "winners".

SloMotion · 07-12-2013, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I used that for two reasons.

1. Just WOW
2. Some players are called good just because they are "winners".

Like Flacco? Hmmm, I think you may have just given me the comeback I need ... I usually just call my barber a "prison barber" and tell him to be quiet,

.

TheOak · 07-12-2013, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Like Flacco? Hmmm, I think you may have just given me the comeback I need ... I usually just call my barber a "prison barber" and tell him to be quiet, .

Flacco maybe.... More a ref to Tebow

rezburna · 07-13-2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Did you read my post? He didn't get all that money, he got some taken away through extension.

His contract had bigger cap hits than Brees.

Nah, I didn't. I was more so responding to McNabbs comments. You saying he doesn't deserve the money?

TheOak · 07-13-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Nah, I didn't. I was more so responding to McNabbs comments. You saying he doesn't deserve the money?

The money taken from him?

rezburna · 07-13-2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The money taken from him?

Hold on Oak, I'm lost right now. Lol.

I think Stafford deserved the contract and McNabb just sounds like a hater.

Are you saying they're taking money away from Stafford?

TheOak · 07-14-2013, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Hold on Oak, I'm lost right now. Lol.

I think Stafford deserved the contract and McNabb just sounds like a hater.

Are you saying they're taking money away from Stafford?

Stafford's extension was not given to him because he did or didn't deserve it..... It was given to him because the Lions needed cap relief.

SloMotion · 07-14-2013, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The money taken from him?

I'm not really a numbers guy and focus more on the fact that they've locked up their franchise QB for five more years, but here goes:

Original contract = 6yr, $72mil ($41.7mil guaranteed).

This contract raised some eyebrows when it was signed back in 2009. With cap hits of $20.8mil for 2013 and $19.8 for 2014, it was really a 4yr contract as the Lions were relying on restructuring the contract or dumping Stafford based on his peformance. There was never any intention of taking those cap hits in 2013/2014.

New contract/extension = 3yr ext. worth $53mil ($41.7mil guaranteed), signing bonus of $27.5mil for a new five yr deal worth $76.5mil.

- Stafford got $41.7mil guaranteed in his first contract, which I will assume he has received, and has hypothetically gave up the remaining $30.3mil in order to restructure.

- He received a $27.5mil signing bonus, another $41.7mil guaranteed and a new five year deal worth $4.5 million more than his original 6yr deal.

I don't see it, Stafford either came out basically even or a cool couple million ahead ... and besides, what's a couple million among friends, eh?

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07-11-2013, 07:14 PM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by rezburna It doesn't come down to wins and losses when your line is horrible, you have no running game, one wide receiver, no defense, and a losing culture already established. The boy throws his share of picks, and isn't exceptionally accurate, but if Flacco and Romo got all that money he should too. Stafford is the best thing that franchise has ever seen at QB. Did you read my post? He didn't get all that money, he got some taken away through extension. His contract had bigger cap hits than Brees.

07-12-2013, 04:37 AM	#2
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak Donovan = Employment Envy. That being said 1-23 That is Stafford's career record against teams with winning records. I know some do not like stats but that is a glaring set of numbers. Yeah, my barber throws that one out there when he wants to yank my chain, . It is what it is and many a dubious stat can be compiled on the Lions. Methinks Stafford has at least a 50/50 chance of ending his career as one of those talented individuals who never won it all, sans Marino. Originally Posted by Danno My memory may be fuzzy, but I've always wondered about the reports and rumors that his teammates didn't like or respect him. It may be coming into focus now. I have never heard that, honestly ... I need a reference before I'll bite on that one, .

07-12-2013, 04:48 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by SloMotion Yeah, my barber throws that one out there when he wants to yank my chain, . It is what it is and many a dubious stat can be compiled on the Lions. Methinks Stafford has at least a 50/50 chance of ending his career as one of those talented individuals who never won it all, sans Marino. . I used that for two reasons. 1. Just WOW 2. Some players are called good just because they are "winners".

07-12-2013, 05:03 AM	#4
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak I used that for two reasons. 1. Just WOW 2. Some players are called good just because they are "winners". Like Flacco? Hmmm, I think you may have just given me the comeback I need ... I usually just call my barber a "prison barber" and tell him to be quiet, .

07-12-2013, 05:13 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by SloMotion Like Flacco? Hmmm, I think you may have just given me the comeback I need ... I usually just call my barber a "prison barber" and tell him to be quiet, . Flacco maybe.... More a ref to Tebow

07-13-2013, 02:38 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak Did you read my post? He didn't get all that money, he got some taken away through extension. His contract had bigger cap hits than Brees. Nah, I didn't. I was more so responding to McNabbs comments. You saying he doesn't deserve the money?

07-13-2013, 05:18 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by rezburna Nah, I didn't. I was more so responding to McNabbs comments. You saying he doesn't deserve the money? The money taken from him?

07-13-2013, 05:50 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak The money taken from him? Hold on Oak, I'm lost right now. Lol. I think Stafford deserved the contract and McNabb just sounds like a hater. Are you saying they're taking money away from Stafford?

07-14-2013, 06:28 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by rezburna Hold on Oak, I'm lost right now. Lol. I think Stafford deserved the contract and McNabb just sounds like a hater. Are you saying they're taking money away from Stafford? Stafford's extension was not given to him because he did or didn't deserve it..... It was given to him because the Lions needed cap relief.

07-14-2013, 06:13 AM	#10
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: McNabb says Stafford hasn’t earned his contract Originally Posted by TheOak The money taken from him? I'm not really a numbers guy and focus more on the fact that they've locked up their franchise QB for five more years, but here goes: Original contract = 6yr, $72mil ($41.7mil guaranteed). This contract raised some eyebrows when it was signed back in 2009. With cap hits of $20.8mil for 2013 and $19.8 for 2014, it was really a 4yr contract as the Lions were relying on restructuring the contract or dumping Stafford based on his peformance. There was never any intention of taking those cap hits in 2013/2014. New contract/extension = 3yr ext. worth $53mil ($41.7mil guaranteed), signing bonus of $27.5mil for a new five yr deal worth $76.5mil. - Stafford got $41.7mil guaranteed in his first contract, which I will assume he has received, and has hypothetically gave up the remaining $30.3mil in order to restructure. - He received a $27.5mil signing bonus, another $41.7mil guaranteed and a new five year deal worth $4.5 million more than his original 6yr deal. I don't see it, Stafford either came out basically even or a cool couple million ahead ... and besides, what's a couple million among friends, eh? .

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