M.Cuban says NFL too greedy, will implode

TheOak · 03-26-2014, 09:42 AM

I disagree with the premiss that taking a game that is already played and moving 1/2 of them to a network where non cable subscribers/NFLNetwork can watch them is overreaching, greedy, or will lead to the implosion of the NFL.

I have seen many comments here in these forums where people that do not get the NFLN can not watch the Saints Thursday night games. This is not the addition of games, it does not add another night of football, and whether you find the Thursday Night games on par with Monday Night games... You still watch everyone of them.

Cubans Tweets:
'If NFL viewing consumes the majority of Primetime viewing hours of TV spectrum,taxpayers will question subsidizing the NFL w free spectrum"

'If we wake up 1 morning to find 1 program dominating 5 nights of Primetime TV,non NFL fans will question why they pay for TV if its all NFL"

The NBA is what.. 7 Nights a week? Has he predicted its demise?
MLB .. same.. No implosion.

Cuban's tweets are illogical when applied to the model of the NBA or MLB. His speculation has no basis for validity. There are plenty of models that prove just the opposite.

No... He is not that bright. His motivation is that the NBA is not as popular as the NFL and his season starts in October which means that NFL Thursday Night games on a major network will eat into his revenues.

Come on gents... Read between the lines. Cuban is only calling it greed because it conflicts with his very own 7 night a week greed.

As far as the train of thought that NFL payroll will surpass revenues, it will not happen. The model is built that Salary Cap numbers are based on revenue, not the other way around. When revenue drops, so will the Salary Cap Allowance.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-30-2014, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The NBA is what.. 7 Nights a week? Has he predicted its demise?
MLB .. same.. No implosion.

Cuban's tweets are illogical when applied to the model of the NBA or MLB. His speculation has no basis for validity. There are plenty of models that prove just the opposite.

...except for one thing: quality of product.

Surely MLB and NBA are 6-7 days a week, but, in baseball, you can watch 2 teams play a double header and see roughly the same quality of play in back to back games. The NBA doesn't play double headers, but you can see the same quality of play from one day to the other, or every 2 days.

In football, in overtime play doesn't look as good as the previous 4 quarters. The toll it takes to play football is not something players can recover from one day to the other. Case and point, Thursday Night Football.

It is not only the physical aspect of it, is the planning and logistics of it.
NBA= 5 players on the floor, 5 positions, and more or less everyone on the floor could play any position if need be.
MLB = 9 players on the field, 9 positions, I'd argue that other than pitcher, catcher, and shortstop (maybe 3rd base) the rest of the positions any player can play it if need be.
NFL= 11 players on the field, all highly specialized, 3 distinctive units. Some positions, you may interchange, like a TE can play FB or vice versa, or a RG may be able to play C or LG, but overall, it is very defined not only by position but by body type.

So give an NFL team less time between games, it results in bad play because of the lack of time to prepare and heal from the previous games.

Of course, there's the extra days a team gets after playing on Thursday, but that does not compensate from what happened the previous week. See Saints playing home against a very physical Whiner team then having to travel to Atlanta on Thursday Night and Drew's TD streak coming to an end.

TheOak · 03-30-2014, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

...except for one thing: quality of product.

Surely MLB and NBA are 6-7 days a week, but, in baseball, you can watch 2 teams play a double header and see roughly the same quality of play in back to back games. The NBA doesn't play double headers, but you can see the same quality of play from one day to the other, or every 2 days.

In football, in overtime play doesn't look as good as the previous 4 quarters. The toll it takes to play football is not something players can recover from one day to the other. Case and point, Thursday Night Football.

It is not only the physical aspect of it, is the planning and logistics of it.
NBA= 5 players on the floor, 5 positions, and more or less everyone on the floor could play any position if need be.
MLB = 9 players on the field, 9 positions, I'd argue that other than pitcher, catcher, and shortstop (maybe 3rd base) the rest of the positions any player can play it if need be.
NFL= 11 players on the field, all highly specialized, 3 distinctive units. Some positions, you may interchange, like a TE can play FB or vice versa, or a RG may be able to play C or LG, but overall, it is very defined not only by position but by body type.

So give an NFL team less time between games, it results in bad play because of the lack of time to prepare and heal from the previous games.

Of course, there's the extra days a team gets after playing on Thursday, but that does not compensate from what happened the previous week. See Saints playing home against a very physical Whiner team then having to travel to Atlanta on Thursday Night and Drew's TD streak coming to an end.

Quality of product is certainly something that should be taken into consideration but the NFL product is consistently inconsistent at best with little to do with day of the week and more to do with teams playing.

In 2013 I'd rather watch the Saints play Atlanta on Thursday Night than watch the Raiders play the Redskins in the Super Bowl.

Drew's streaks ending are more about everything eventually coming to an end. I'm not buying that it was a Thursday night problem. If it were, it wouldn't have survived previous Thursday night games.

03-26-2014, 09:42 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,062	Re: M.Cuban says NFL too greedy, will implode I disagree with the premiss that taking a game that is already played and moving 1/2 of them to a network where non cable subscribers/NFLNetwork can watch them is overreaching, greedy, or will lead to the implosion of the NFL. I have seen many comments here in these forums where people that do not get the NFLN can not watch the Saints Thursday night games. This is not the addition of games, it does not add another night of football, and whether you find the Thursday Night games on par with Monday Night games... You still watch everyone of them. Cubans Tweets: 'If NFL viewing consumes the majority of Primetime viewing hours of TV spectrum,taxpayers will question subsidizing the NFL w free spectrum" 'If we wake up 1 morning to find 1 program dominating 5 nights of Primetime TV,non NFL fans will question why they pay for TV if its all NFL" The NBA is what.. 7 Nights a week? Has he predicted its demise? MLB .. same.. No implosion. Cuban's tweets are illogical when applied to the model of the NBA or MLB. His speculation has no basis for validity. There are plenty of models that prove just the opposite. No... He is not that bright. His motivation is that the NBA is not as popular as the NFL and his season starts in October which means that NFL Thursday Night games on a major network will eat into his revenues. Come on gents... Read between the lines. Cuban is only calling it greed because it conflicts with his very own 7 night a week greed. As far as the train of thought that NFL payroll will surpass revenues, it will not happen. The model is built that Salary Cap numbers are based on revenue, not the other way around. When revenue drops, so will the Salary Cap Allowance.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-30-2014, 02:06 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: M.Cuban says NFL too greedy, will implode Originally Posted by TheOak The NBA is what.. 7 Nights a week? Has he predicted its demise? MLB .. same.. No implosion. Cuban's tweets are illogical when applied to the model of the NBA or MLB. His speculation has no basis for validity. There are plenty of models that prove just the opposite. ...except for one thing: quality of product. Surely MLB and NBA are 6-7 days a week, but, in baseball, you can watch 2 teams play a double header and see roughly the same quality of play in back to back games. The NBA doesn't play double headers, but you can see the same quality of play from one day to the other, or every 2 days. In football, in overtime play doesn't look as good as the previous 4 quarters. The toll it takes to play football is not something players can recover from one day to the other. Case and point, Thursday Night Football. It is not only the physical aspect of it, is the planning and logistics of it. NBA= 5 players on the floor, 5 positions, and more or less everyone on the floor could play any position if need be. MLB = 9 players on the field, 9 positions, I'd argue that other than pitcher, catcher, and shortstop (maybe 3rd base) the rest of the positions any player can play it if need be. NFL= 11 players on the field, all highly specialized, 3 distinctive units. Some positions, you may interchange, like a TE can play FB or vice versa, or a RG may be able to play C or LG, but overall, it is very defined not only by position but by body type. So give an NFL team less time between games, it results in bad play because of the lack of time to prepare and heal from the previous games. Of course, there's the extra days a team gets after playing on Thursday, but that does not compensate from what happened the previous week. See Saints playing home against a very physical Whiner team then having to travel to Atlanta on Thursday Night and Drew's TD streak coming to an end.
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03-30-2014, 03:49 PM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,062	Re: M.Cuban says NFL too greedy, will implode Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ...except for one thing: quality of product. Surely MLB and NBA are 6-7 days a week, but, in baseball, you can watch 2 teams play a double header and see roughly the same quality of play in back to back games. The NBA doesn't play double headers, but you can see the same quality of play from one day to the other, or every 2 days. In football, in overtime play doesn't look as good as the previous 4 quarters. The toll it takes to play football is not something players can recover from one day to the other. Case and point, Thursday Night Football. It is not only the physical aspect of it, is the planning and logistics of it. NBA= 5 players on the floor, 5 positions, and more or less everyone on the floor could play any position if need be. MLB = 9 players on the field, 9 positions, I'd argue that other than pitcher, catcher, and shortstop (maybe 3rd base) the rest of the positions any player can play it if need be. NFL= 11 players on the field, all highly specialized, 3 distinctive units. Some positions, you may interchange, like a TE can play FB or vice versa, or a RG may be able to play C or LG, but overall, it is very defined not only by position but by body type. So give an NFL team less time between games, it results in bad play because of the lack of time to prepare and heal from the previous games. Of course, there's the extra days a team gets after playing on Thursday, but that does not compensate from what happened the previous week. See Saints playing home against a very physical Whiner team then having to travel to Atlanta on Thursday Night and Drew's TD streak coming to an end. Quality of product is certainly something that should be taken into consideration but the NFL product is consistently inconsistent at best with little to do with day of the week and more to do with teams playing. In 2013 I'd rather watch the Saints play Atlanta on Thursday Night than watch the Raiders play the Redskins in the Super Bowl. Drew's streaks ending are more about everything eventually coming to an end. I'm not buying that it was a Thursday night problem. If it were, it wouldn't have survived previous Thursday night games.

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