NFL Double Standard?

SaintsBro · 05-13-2014, 09:32 AM

Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me.

First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc.

Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now.

Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison.

And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there).

Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s.

Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here.

Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread.

TheOak · 05-13-2014, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me.

First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc.

Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now.

Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison.

And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there).

Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s.

Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here.

Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread.

The OP is at a higher level than Religion vs Sexuality, or Tebow vs Sam. Its focus is more the acceptance of both public displays.

Its about tolerance or lack there of depending on the subject matter.
It points out that there is more tolerance to public displays of homosexuality, than there is to religion.

But what you and I both know is that crusaders for both causes will take a thread and weave it into a quilt for their cause.

Make a tweet in disgust (that persons feeling about something), and there is a fine when it is in regard to homosexuality. Make a mocking tweet in laughter (that persons feelings about something) about Tebow or Phil Robertson's practicing their religion and no such reprimand is made.

There is a hypersensitivity around mocking certain subjects that is becoming absurd.

As far as the tweet... Well, some people do not have the ability to see something and not have a physical reaction. Let 50 people watch a person eat a cricket or a slice of bacon, a % will just watch while a % will have some sort of physical reaction.. They will all think something.

Some people should have to get a license to be on the internet.

If you hang your underwear in the front yard to dry and the neighbors laugh... Its your fault.

exile · 05-13-2014, 11:16 AM

Just heard that he was assigned #69.... whoops #96.

Danno · 05-13-2014, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Just heard that he was assigned #69.... whoops #96.

Seems like 81 is more appropriate.

Some ocho-uno action!!!

st thomas · 05-14-2014, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Just heard that he was assigned #69.... whoops #96.

just glad some can simply still joke around with no pun intended. Sam is gay, okay, fine lets move on. hope no one drops the soap. he he he ha aaa

Mardigras9 · 05-13-2014, 09:38 AM

If he doesn't produce on the football field, he will suffer the same fate as Tebow no matter what his lifestyle.

OldMaid · 05-13-2014, 05:28 PM

Ohhh, exile. Now you go to the timeout chair.

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exile · 05-13-2014, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by OldMaid

Ohhh, exile. Now you go to the timeout chair.

TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I'm not around for the next week or so Halo has put me in a "program".

lee909 · 05-14-2014, 06:50 AM

Im assuming his issue is that Wilson has filled for divorce.

TheOak · 05-14-2014, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Im assuming his issue is that Wilson has filled for divorce.

Which contradicts being a Christian how? Being a Christian is being baptized, and believing in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

That's why I am asking... I know of no churches that prohibit divorce. Catholics have a loophole that for a fee retroactively declares the marriage invalid, thus any children of such marriage become bastards... or like me

.

Most churches discourage, some have narrow rules allowing for, but I am not aware of any that prohibit. Some call remarriage adultery but do not prohibit the divorce...

Soooo.. since no one here knows the grounds, it pretty presumptuous to say it is going against being Christian.

05-13-2014, 09:32 AM	#1
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL Double Standard? Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me. First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc. Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now. Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison. And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there). Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s. Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here. Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread. Crusader and OldMaid like this.

05-13-2014, 10:45 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: NFL Double Standard? Originally Posted by SaintsBro Comparing religious beliefs to sexual preferences sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me. First of all, I question has Sam ever actually been "praised for his gay lifestyle"? Where did this happen? I've only seen him praised for his courage in coming out, or his being a trailblazer, first of his kind, etc. NEVER have I seen any media outlet "praise" his homosexuality or his lifestyle, directly. Got a link for that? Most of the commentary I've seen, seems focused on what an event it was, a moment, first time this has happened in the pros, etc. Nothing that Tim Tebow has done, has been the first time it's been done, out of anything that he has EVER done (and he has actually done a lot, if you count both off-the-field and on). But none of his Christianity was pioneering. Players have been pointing at the sky after touchdowns, genuflecting, kneeling, putting moments of quiet reflection together with happy celebration, and praying in end zones together, for generations. Literally for generations, decades now. Was Tebow pioneering anything, by being the first openly devout Christian drafted in football? If he was, then it's a valid comparison. And by contrast, I have not seen any sports or news media outlet "mocking relentlessly" Tim Tebow's religious beliefs, other than a few parody skits on comedy shows. Jimmy Fallon, SNL are not news media. I've heard of players mocking it (Detroit game that Tebow lost 45-10) but even that's got a wide variety of discussion about it, pro and con. Many people felt that the Lions players went too far in mocking him, it was widely discussed. Overall it is hardly a unanimous slam dunk premise, that everyone in the media is unfairly against Tebow, especially not in the news or sports media realm. He has been given every possible chance to prove himself, on the field, where the media should be looking. And now Sam will get his chance to prove himself on the field (if he even gets there). Second big point -- getting to point #2 of Oak and others. When Tebow does the "Tebow" he is engaging in a very conscious act of moral grandstanding. Tebow is saying, "Look at me," just as surely as Billy "White Shoes" Johnson doing his knee-wobbling end zone dance was saying, "Look at me" back in the '70s. Does Michael Sam do a signature sack dance, or tackle celebration, to promote his gayness, on the field, every time he makes a play? IF HE DID, then we would have an apples-to-apples comparison here. Again, this is why I think we are getting off into the weeds, into comparing apples to oranges in this thread. The OP is at a higher level than Religion vs Sexuality, or Tebow vs Sam. Its focus is more the acceptance of both public displays. Its about tolerance or lack there of depending on the subject matter. It points out that there is more tolerance to public displays of homosexuality, than there is to religion. But what you and I both know is that crusaders for both causes will take a thread and weave it into a quilt for their cause. Make a tweet in disgust (that persons feeling about something), and there is a fine when it is in regard to homosexuality. Make a mocking tweet in laughter (that persons feelings about something) about Tebow or Phil Robertson's practicing their religion and no such reprimand is made. There is a hypersensitivity around mocking certain subjects that is becoming absurd. As far as the tweet... Well, some people do not have the ability to see something and not have a physical reaction. Let 50 people watch a person eat a cricket or a slice of bacon, a % will just watch while a % will have some sort of physical reaction.. They will all think something. Some people should have to get a license to be on the internet. If you hang your underwear in the front yard to dry and the neighbors laugh... Its your fault.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 05-13-2014 at 10:49 AM..

05-13-2014, 11:16 AM	#3
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05-14-2014, 09:09 AM	#5
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: NFL Double Standard? Originally Posted by exile Just heard that he was assigned #69.... whoops #96. just glad some can simply still joke around with no pun intended. Sam is gay, okay, fine lets move on. hope no one drops the soap. he he he ha aaa

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05-14-2014, 10:47 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: NFL Double Standard? Originally Posted by lee909 Im assuming his issue is that Wilson has filled for divorce. Which contradicts being a Christian how? Being a Christian is being baptized, and believing in Jesus Christ and his teachings. That's why I am asking... I know of no churches that prohibit divorce. Catholics have a loophole that for a fee retroactively declares the marriage invalid, thus any children of such marriage become bastards... or like me . Most churches discourage, some have narrow rules allowing for, but I am not aware of any that prohibit. Some call remarriage adultery but do not prohibit the divorce... Soooo.. since no one here knows the grounds, it pretty presumptuous to say it is going against being Christian.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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