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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; I'll just echo what millions are thinking and saying. I don't care about Ray Rice and don't want to defend what he did. But what in the hell did anybody think they were going to see on that video? We ...

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Old 09-08-2014, 10:54 PM   #1
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Re: Ray Rice released

I'll just echo what millions are thinking and saying. I don't care about Ray Rice and don't want to defend what he did. But what in the hell did anybody think they were going to see on that video? We knew he knocked her out and nobody is trying to cover that up. So now the video comes out and it's "shocking"? The league made their mistake and they should live with it. It's not that Rice doesn't deserve a longer suspension, it's that when you make a ruling you can't just arbitrarily change your mind. This isn't "new" evidence and we all know it, so you can't use that as an excuse for changing your mind. Just a very obvious and weak attempt to save face by both the league and the Ravens.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 09-08-2014, 11:18 PM   #2
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Not defending but not condoning his actions I was not there but Goddell already punished Rice wouldn't this be double jeoprdy. Punished twice for the same offence.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:08 AM   #3
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I have watched the video now... This is going to be an unpopular view but it is what it is.

I do not believe in gender, height, or density bias for laws or punitive action.

Take your eyes off of the hands and watch the body language.. for the purpose of this post, imagine they are both male or both female.

Did Ray board the elevator in an aggressive manor?
Did he drag her ON to the elevator?
Did he leave her knocked out in the elevator?
Who was the aggressor and who was back pedaling?
Who threw the first hand?

In cases of domestic abuse or a battering husband there wouldn't have been 1 punch.

If you are a police officer and that video is your only evidence are you arresting Ray for a knock out punch or are you arresting her for taking the first swing?

He wanted a woman with fire and she wanted a NFL player with a big pay check...
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They're both idiots.
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They're both idiots.
Precisely why its a no harm/no foul.

We seem to forget that the victim wasn't married to him or in a no way out situation like happens with most cases of domestic abuse.

She didn't press charges, and she married him after.
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:29 AM   #6
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Come on a 110 pound women is going to hurt me. Any guy touch my daughter, i don't want to think about what i would do to him. Ray crossed the line. Ray go get some help and will see you in two years.

Mike Vick made it back so can you.
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I see the machismo is thick in here.

I'll start by saying that at 44 I've never put my hands on a woman and never will. I don't condone it, I also don't condone a female putting hands on a male.

I have daughters, both brown belts in TKD. At 9 and 6 they both pack enough speed and power to break boards, and that is more than enough to knock a man out.

I'm not going to speculate what area or era you two hail from but from experience.... These days 110 lbs of pissed off woman with 1" fingernails will phuck you up like dropping an opossum in your bath water. I suspect Rez has been on the receiving end at least once and I've been on the receiving end more than 1/2 a dozen times. I worked bars for years luckily I had someone to pull them off of me but if you ever want to bleed just try to break up a couple fighting, as soon as you put hands on him to throw him out she is on your head like a spider monkey on PCP.

Sapper..... A knockout doesn't require a lot of strength or power. All it requires is a light snap on the chin to hit a nerve in the jaw to cause the central nervous system to shut down. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to but my military training has never incorporated "bloody skills" into either silent or standard threat neutralization.

In no way do I intend for what I am about to say next in a derogatory fashion. Irrational knee jerk reactions like some I have seen are precisely why the NFL killed Slap yo Moma red zone and just ended the career and income for a couple that neither was hurt from THEIR normal activities. She basically said that in her tweet. It's no ones business that they both put hands on each other. If he throttled her with all of his monstrous power her mouth would be wired shut. He didn't, hers isn't, they laughed about it in the morning.

Perception carries more weight than reality these days I suppose.
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I see the machismo is thick in here.

I'll start by saying that at 44 I've never put my hands on a woman and never will. I don't condone it, I also don't condone a female putting hands on a male.

I have daughters, both brown belts in TKD. At 9 and 6 they both pack enough speed and power to break boards, and that is more than enough to knock a man out.

I'm not going to speculate what area or era you two hail from but from experience.... These days 110 lbs of pissed off woman with 1" fingernails will phuck you up like dropping an opossum in your bath water. I suspect Rez has been on the receiving end at least once and I've been on the receiving end more than 1/2 a dozen times. I worked bars for years luckily I had someone to pull them off of me but if you ever want to bleed just try to break up a couple fighting, as soon as you put hands on him to throw him out she is on your head like a spider monkey on PCP.

Sapper..... A knockout doesn't require a lot of strength or power. All it requires is a light snap on the chin to hit a nerve in the jaw to cause the central nervous system to shut down. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to but my military training has never incorporated "bloody skills" into either silent or standard threat neutralization.

In no way do I intend for what I am about to say next in a derogatory fashion. Irrational knee jerk reactions like some I have seen are precisely why the NFL killed Slap yo Moma red zone and just ended the career and income for a couple that neither was hurt from THEIR normal activities. She basically said that in her tweet. It's no ones business that they both put hands on each other. If he throttled her with all of his monstrous power her mouth would be wired shut. He didn't, hers isn't, they laughed about it in the morning.

Perception carries more weight than reality these days I suppose.
I got caught with 3 of those stupid ass windmill slaps to the face before I could blink one time. I can't even lie, I jabbed her in the mouth. Drew blood. That ended it. She and I never had that issue, or any issues ever again. But I I wasn't the last guy she tried that with.

As far as my wife, mother, or someone along those lines I'd never put my hands on them. But I can't lie like I can't be physically provoked to hit a woman, or anybody for that matter. I was brought up to be rough, and aggressive. My tolerance is extremely high for women, but once you take a couple of those bee sting, like punches from a girl it can flip the switch real fast.

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I got caught with 3 of those stupid ass windmill slaps to the face before I could blink one time. I can't even lie, I jabbed her in the mouth. Drew blood. That ended it. She and I never had that issue, or any issues ever again. But I I wasn't the last guy she tried that with.

As far as my wife, mother, or someone along those lines I'd never put my hands on them. But I can't lie like I can't be physically provoked to hit a woman, or anybody for that matter. I was brought up to be rough, and aggressive. My tolerance is extremely high for women, but once you take a couple of those bee sting, like punches from a girl it can flip the switch real fast.
Which is my whole point, or rather multiple points.

What happened was to end it... No one started kicking ribs or giving a beat down after she fell. Had she not been knocked out she wouldn't have quit and someone would have been in the hospital.

Those two also come from and exist in a different culture. Cant start going into peoples lives and dictating how they live if they are happy with it.

My girls can more than defend them selves but they are taught by me that life comes with a hands off policy. Under no circumstance are they to put hands on anyone in anger period. If someone lays hands on them then its neutralize and leave.

Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason. Race, gender, etc are irrelevant (except for defining a minor and an adult). When we as a society start protecting the small, the female, the 100 lb's to the extent that they are allowed to be aggressive and there is no recourse we are ushering a generation where a 16 year old boy weighing 200 lbs can whip a grown mans azz and the man can not defend him self. We are actually creating a more violent society because certain people have no fear.

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Old 09-09-2014, 07:40 PM   #10
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Actually , he is not released indefinitely from the NFL.

I am watching CNN -Anderson's report.
It showed a few others who are currently going through the courts and NFL with this issue. They are out there every Sunday.

Well, that means to me , if they are in the NFL and RR cannot be, then RR has a lawsuit on the way to the NFL.
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