In Defense of Cam Newton...

foreverfan · 02-12-2016, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I like when people aren't politically correct... As long as what's coming out of their mouth isn't complete garbage. Speaking your mind doesn't mean you're necessarily right. I know that applies to all people, but there are some things that just stand out as being flat out wrong. And on the subject of Cam, it's less about what he says and more about what he does.

You can't forget what you are...

burningmetal · 02-12-2016, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

You can't forget what you are...

And what is he? So we're saying he's like this because he's ghetto and that makes it ok? I'm not interested in where anyone is from. You are what you are, just as you implied, and if what you are is a self centered, ego- maniacal child, then you should expect not to be well received. I have no ill will towards him, despite the fact that I don't like him. I hope for his sake that he grows up.

There are plenty of people who have come from much worse places than he did, who managed to grow up. He is who he is, not because of where he came from, but because of who he has chosen to be. He could do better if he wanted to. Wherever the heck he came from is not a valid excuse in my book.

I like you, FF, but this is one subject I couldn't disagree more on.

Mr.Riaton · 02-12-2016, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

For me, personally, I'm not worried about the role model part (though he is a poor role model). It's a respect thing. Frankly I never noticed that Peyton didn't shake hands after the super bowl, because that's not nearly as visible as walking out of a room when you are being asked questions. When I heard about it later, I thought it was petty on his part. But Peyton doesn't draw the kind of attention to himself as Cam does. Peyton does a lot of corny commercials, whereas Cam is a completely polarizing figure. He's got a long history of folding under pressure and scrutiny.

I don't mind the coaches tirades near as much. Usually they are just telling it like it is. That's better than just avoiding the issue. Sometimes reporters ask dumb questions. I have no problem with a player or coach telling the reporter why their question is dumb. When they walk out, they look like brats.

I know there are times at work when a co-worker or even my boss pisses me off to the point where I have to walk away before I say or do something Im gonna regret. Maybe he did the same. I think you make good points, and im not defending Cam per se, He is what he is, but despite how much better of a person Payton is, walking of the field in a pouting manner because he just lost the game shows the same kind of attitude. At least Cam shook Paytons hand afterwards.

burningmetal · 02-12-2016, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I know there are times at work when a co-worker or even my boss pisses me off to the point where I have to walk away before I say or do something Im gonna regret. Maybe he did the same. I think you make good points, and im not defending Cam per se, He is what he is, but despite how much better of a person Payton is, walking of the field in a pouting manner because he just lost the game shows the same kind of attitude. At least Cam shook Paytons hand afterwards.

I know where you're coming from on the walking away from someone before saying anything you'll regret. I've both walked away, and said things I regret. I've learned along the way. I just see this as a different situation, where he isn't arguing with someone, he's being asked questions and couldn't manage to get through it. I didn't hear a question that sounded like an attack or anything. But again, it's also a cumulative thing with Cam. So many instances to draw from.

I don't disagree about Peyton. For the record, I am not a fan of Peyton or Eli. They tend to say the right things in their press conferences, but on the field they seem to always blame their mistakes on someone else. They throw an interception and immediately you see them demonstratively pointing at a certain player and telling him he should have done this or that. I'm sure there are times when they're right, but it's hard to believe that every pick is someone else's fault.

WhoDat!656 · 02-12-2016, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

All of this crap that has be spewed on this board on Cam is a bunch of crap.

It seems that people are getting off on...
telling this board how they would have handled losing the Superbowl or the “correct/approved” way to lose the Superbowl. Many of you are assuming that you are a better person than Cam Newton.

Personally I don't care how he handled this.
Since when is it required that you have to think like the majority?
Since when is it required that you can't publicly display human emotions?
When did the NFL become the US Army?

Bottom Line...
He lost. LOL. He can cry all day long and I can laugh about it. That’s it.

This has become a media show against Cam.
Posting stuff about how wrong I think this is doesn't make me a better person. I don't get off on it.
Actually I'm just enjoying the show. LOL.

I respect Cam for going outside of the box
and taking his route and displaying his personal emotions and true feelings.
This is part of what makes him so special...
love it or hate it.

REMEMBER THIS....
Every one of us has something in our life that we would love to take back
but it wasn’t done in front of 300 million people
and the media certainly didn't cover it.

49 other WBs have lost Super Bowls; how many of them conducted their post-game interview like Cam did?

I get that he was upset! No one expected him to be rainbows and puppy dogs about it, but Cam is a grown man and he reacted like a spoiled child.

He should follow Leonard's Mom's advice:

Buck Up Sissy Pants - YouTube

BoneSaint · 02-12-2016, 01:39 PM

This situation reminds me of a couple dates where I wish I woulda fapped it before going out. That release of emotion clears your mind, calms you down, and lets you think about other things. Cam should have (mentally/emotionally) fapped with somebody before he went to his interview.

BoneSaint · 02-12-2016, 02:03 PM

I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything...

But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality.

But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough.

I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we would have done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks.

All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position.

I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this.

Mr.Riaton · 02-12-2016, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by BoneSaint

I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything...

But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality.

But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough.

I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we wouldohave done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks.

All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position.

I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this.

Good post!

burningmetal · 02-12-2016, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by BoneSaint

I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything...

But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality.

But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough.

I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we would have done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks.

All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position.

I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this.

The essence of what you're saying is true. But it also speaks to the very point... He IS egotistical at this point. If he weren't, he might have handled it better. But he is, and he didn't. I don't want to know how it feels to be that full of myself and then lose. I don't like losing, and I don't like to gloat. He's saying "look at me" all year with his actions, and telling anyone who will listen that all his doubters fueled him, blah blah. When you do that you better have some answers when you fall flat on your face. That's all I'm saying.

We're all imperfect, and we all have to learn. This dude comes across as disingenuous, and pretentious. He talks and talks, and talks some more. Everything is sunshine and flowers, and then he completely changes. Most people come by their flaws a bit more honestly.

SloMotion · 02-12-2016, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

You can't forget what you are...

You mean this Snoop Dogg? Burger King hot dog spokesperson, Snoop Dogg? Twitter-fight-with-Iggy Azalea, Snoop Dogg? (remember when rappers use to settle their beefs with guns & stuff? Now it's Twitter battles,

) Yeah, he's real "ghetto",

... "sell-out" is more like it,

. "Old pot-head rappers never die, they just wind up selling pork & pork byproducts for the man",

.

And don't be fooled, Burger King ain't grilling those dogs, at least the ones by me ... no grill marks and they microwave 'em, who they kidding? I know what a microwaved dog tastes like,

. I was in there raising holy hell back when they were test marketing those, just saying,

.

Burger King Training Video: Grilled Dogs ft. Snoop Dogg - YouTube

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02-12-2016, 10:28 AM	#31
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by burningmetal I like when people aren't politically correct... As long as what's coming out of their mouth isn't complete garbage. Speaking your mind doesn't mean you're necessarily right. I know that applies to all people, but there are some things that just stand out as being flat out wrong. And on the subject of Cam, it's less about what he says and more about what he does. You can't forget what you are...

02-12-2016, 10:40 AM	#32
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by foreverfan You can't forget what you are... And what is he? So we're saying he's like this because he's ghetto and that makes it ok? I'm not interested in where anyone is from. You are what you are, just as you implied, and if what you are is a self centered, ego- maniacal child, then you should expect not to be well received. I have no ill will towards him, despite the fact that I don't like him. I hope for his sake that he grows up. There are plenty of people who have come from much worse places than he did, who managed to grow up. He is who he is, not because of where he came from, but because of who he has chosen to be. He could do better if he wanted to. Wherever the heck he came from is not a valid excuse in my book. I like you, FF, but this is one subject I couldn't disagree more on. foreverfan likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

02-12-2016, 10:45 AM	#33
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by burningmetal For me, personally, I'm not worried about the role model part (though he is a poor role model). It's a respect thing. Frankly I never noticed that Peyton didn't shake hands after the super bowl, because that's not nearly as visible as walking out of a room when you are being asked questions. When I heard about it later, I thought it was petty on his part. But Peyton doesn't draw the kind of attention to himself as Cam does. Peyton does a lot of corny commercials, whereas Cam is a completely polarizing figure. He's got a long history of folding under pressure and scrutiny. I don't mind the coaches tirades near as much. Usually they are just telling it like it is. That's better than just avoiding the issue. Sometimes reporters ask dumb questions. I have no problem with a player or coach telling the reporter why their question is dumb. When they walk out, they look like brats. I know there are times at work when a co-worker or even my boss pisses me off to the point where I have to walk away before I say or do something Im gonna regret. Maybe he did the same. I think you make good points, and im not defending Cam per se, He is what he is, but despite how much better of a person Payton is, walking of the field in a pouting manner because he just lost the game shows the same kind of attitude. At least Cam shook Paytons hand afterwards. foreverfan and BoneSaint like this.

02-12-2016, 10:54 AM	#34
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I know there are times at work when a co-worker or even my boss pisses me off to the point where I have to walk away before I say or do something Im gonna regret. Maybe he did the same. I think you make good points, and im not defending Cam per se, He is what he is, but despite how much better of a person Payton is, walking of the field in a pouting manner because he just lost the game shows the same kind of attitude. At least Cam shook Paytons hand afterwards. I know where you're coming from on the walking away from someone before saying anything you'll regret. I've both walked away, and said things I regret. I've learned along the way. I just see this as a different situation, where he isn't arguing with someone, he's being asked questions and couldn't manage to get through it. I didn't hear a question that sounded like an attack or anything. But again, it's also a cumulative thing with Cam. So many instances to draw from. I don't disagree about Peyton. For the record, I am not a fan of Peyton or Eli. They tend to say the right things in their press conferences, but on the field they seem to always blame their mistakes on someone else. They throw an interception and immediately you see them demonstratively pointing at a certain player and telling him he should have done this or that. I'm sure there are times when they're right, but it's hard to believe that every pick is someone else's fault.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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02-12-2016, 01:39 PM	#36
BoneSaint Rookie Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Nola Posts: 18	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... This situation reminds me of a couple dates where I wish I woulda fapped it before going out. That release of emotion clears your mind, calms you down, and lets you think about other things. Cam should have (mentally/emotionally) fapped with somebody before he went to his interview. Mr.Riaton likes this.

02-12-2016, 02:03 PM	#37
BoneSaint Rookie Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Nola Posts: 18	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything... But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality. But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough. I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we would have done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks. All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position. I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this. foreverfan and Mr.Riaton like this.

02-12-2016, 02:17 PM	#38
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,264	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by BoneSaint I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything... But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality. But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough. I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we wouldohave done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks. All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position. I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this. Good post!

02-12-2016, 02:59 PM	#39
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: In Defense of Cam Newton... Originally Posted by BoneSaint I hate me some Cam Newton.. His stupid towel over the head and everything... But I'm a little conflicted on how I feel with this one. Definite poor sport to not recognize and respect, and to outright discount, the people that just beat you. That's just super egotistical, one of the highest forms of sportsman disrespect, and a loser mentality. But, as a super fierce competitive person myself, I can understand emotions taking over. We saw this guys massively big head POP on tv, then he had to parade his malformed, deflated, disfigured head into a press conference where he had to explain, "why aren't you good enough? And why aren't you as good as you are supposed to be? And You're Cam Newton, how in the world could somebody beat you?" That's really tough. I'm not defending the actions, but I do understand them, and won't judge him. Sure it's easy to say what should be done in that situation and what we would have done, but we really have no idea what it's like to think like an already huge egoed, newly crowned NFL MVP Cam Newton, and have the biggest disappointment of our life just happen 10 minutes ago, then have one of the guys that beat you's answer to how they beat you blasting in your ear. Man, that sucks. All I'm saying is, let's not judge because we can't understand his position. I'm also really curious to see if/how he grows from this. The essence of what you're saying is true. But it also speaks to the very point... He IS egotistical at this point. If he weren't, he might have handled it better. But he is, and he didn't. I don't want to know how it feels to be that full of myself and then lose. I don't like losing, and I don't like to gloat. He's saying "look at me" all year with his actions, and telling anyone who will listen that all his doubters fueled him, blah blah. When you do that you better have some answers when you fall flat on your face. That's all I'm saying. We're all imperfect, and we all have to learn. This dude comes across as disingenuous, and pretentious. He talks and talks, and talks some more. Everything is sunshine and flowers, and then he completely changes. Most people come by their flaws a bit more honestly.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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