Colin Kaepernick-discuss

burningmetal · 09-01-2016, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

whether you stand up and stare at a flag is the most unimportant thing on earth. Symbolism is pointless/meaningless.

youll forget about this when the Vikings pick him up and Minn. runs down hill all season in that shiny new dome.

That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card.

As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card.

As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight.

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America".

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us.

That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to.

It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us.

That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to.

It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush.

its not my feelings,its cold hard logical fact. Feelings have nothing to do with whether staring at a flag has any meaning. Feelings dont make things facts or truth's.
no,it means nothing because it means nothing.
whether I or you think it does or not. Its just a piece of material on a pole.
it has no meaning and serves no purpose..unless you need an extra blanket.

lets put it this way..if you believe in God..the all knowing creator doesnt give a damn about any nations flag.Americans dont get any special treatment.

[[It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush]]

no,its like not looking at a flag/ not standing for flag,no more,no less.

what purpose does the flag serve when you are tired,cold,hungry? what did the flag do for Katrina?

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

its not my feelings,its cold hard logical fact. Feelings have nothing to do with whether staring at a flag has any meaning. Feelings dont make things facts or truth's.
no,it means nothing because it means nothing.
whether I or you think it does or not. Its just a piece of material on a pole.
it has no meaning and serves no purpose..unless you need an extra blanket.

lets put it this way..if you believe in God..the all knowing creator doesnt give a damn about any nations flag.Americans dont get any special treatment.

[[It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush]]

no,its like not looking at a flag/ not standing for flag,no more,no less.

what purpose does the flag serve when you are tired,cold,hungry? what did the flag do for Katrina?

Again, you don't have to care about the flag. If your way of life is to sit back and say "eh, who cares, this isn't my problem". Go right ahead. This thread isn't for you, obviously.

Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? He knows exactly what I'm saying, that he is in a public place where people can see him, and he is sitting where everyone else was standing.

It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism. Showing respect for the fallen. It doesn't mean anything in a tangible sense, but everyone has an understanding what it represents. So when one person decides he's going to be the one to break the silence and be a jerk, he's disrespected everyone else.

The flag doesn't have to have a tangible meaning. We all know what it represents, and why he is choosing not to stand for it. And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with, and not simply the flag itself, a piece of cloth on a pole, as you've noted.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Again, you don't have to care about the flag. If your way of life is to sit back and say "eh, who cares, this isn't my problem". Go right ahead. This thread isn't for you, obviously.

Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? He knows exactly what I'm saying, that he is in a public place where people can see him, and he is sitting where everyone else was standing.

It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism. Showing respect for the fallen. It doesn't mean anything in a tangible sense, but everyone has an understanding what it represents. So when one person decides he's going to be the one to break the silence and be a jerk, he's disrespected everyone else.

The flag doesn't have to have a tangible meaning. We all know what it represents, and why he is choosing not to stand for it. And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with, and not simply the flag itself, a piece of cloth on a pole, as you've noted.

((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.))

no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing.
Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance.

how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ?

[[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]]

how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State!

{{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }}

please tell me you are joking?
how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont?
The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game.

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.))

no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing.
Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance.

how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ?

[[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]]

how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State!

{{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }}

please tell me you are joking?
how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont?
The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game.

Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country.

If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess?

How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song.

But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower.

And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people.

The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents?

Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right?

Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.

burningmetal · 09-02-2016, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it.
Its a pointless action/symbolism.

no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else.
I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now?

you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with.
If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it.
this is only a story because people waste time talking about it.
its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters.

p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?

If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure.

A.8Manning · 09-02-2016, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure.

forgive me again but..every site has these things,so why not here?

whats the deal guys? is it my firefox? what? its no fun without an editor,smileys n stuff

OldMaid · 09-03-2016, 03:12 PM

I made a joke earlier ,pg. 1 , about ColinK.
I think I made the point I believe he is wrong.

Why am I jumping in this mess to post my opinion when I already made mine in a sentence or two...
Some of ya'll comments are way off in left field....off subject. OJ? Really?
*I'll get to that later.
The US flag to me represents all of the men and women , White and Black, Other , who fought and died since 1776 to now, to make this country of freedoms that we all have. To disrespect the country's flag is to not honor all those people who fought and died for you to have the freedom and life here that you can have in this country. The words are important. It is an important, unitfying symbol of the U.S.A.
I say the pledge to the US flag and to the state of Texas everyday. Work related.
The US flag and the pledge unites people. It is a common link. The USA is not perfect. Where is it perfect? * I’ll get to that later.

Really, ColinK is contradicting himself. What he is doing is , is due to having those freedoms.
He is very confused. Troubled. I feel more sorry for him, no I don't!! No. LOL!! I can see why he is troubled and he needs to accept himself and be thankful for all he has and how his life turned out. Like some people have that White guilt thing , well, some people have Black guilt too.
I do believe his has some issues with being adopted and his White bio mom, who was not in his life, is out there now on twitter talking against him about sitting down and his Black bio father is unknown, I think. He is engaged to that radical woman. He grew up in a good family, just happened to be White, and lived a Mid Class lifestyle and in Wisconsin. Wearing Fidel Castro ,a Communist oppressor of the his people, was odd, crazy. CK tried to fit with some of the NFL's finest, LOL, the thuggish ones, and that was a mistake he made. Remember the incident a while back when he and some 49's and some trashy woman and she filed a lawsuit or something. Now he is turning Islamic. He is all over the place. He needs therapy. He needs to STFU too and stand up and salute this country and the people who fought then and now for him to have all these freedoms he has. His protest is in the wrong way. As for protesting, you, whoever, ColinK, can protest here in this country, unlike other places all you want for whatever. The price of tomatoes , Trump, Hillary, the police, whatever. Again, ColinK is misled.

Do you ever notice that the people against the police are the ones who need the police or the ones who can get the police and better access to the police? I left a post about that. Again, he is confused.
Racisms, ageism sexism, nepotism, classism, etc. , you will always have. I DID NOT say these things are right, so do not misread me. However, our flag and anthem represents our country and in our country, wrongs can change. You have a transparent justice system, laws for all, citizens being allowed as jurors, etc. Wrongs can change. You have the freedoms to change wrongs. You have rights here. Disrespecting the U.S. flag and anthem and THE country is not the way to protest or prove a point. CK is defeating his purpose.
He is doing like what 2 years old do when they do not get what they want and they just drop to the floor and fall out. Tantrum. The 2 year olds learn that tantrums do not work.

You guys and name calling each other and your views on other cases and bringing up OJ, way off subject. I said I would get back to that. In my opinion, OJ should have stayed with his wife instead of picking that 18 year. Opps, sorry . It is true.
I am not , NOT for DV. I think DV is very serious and pity those women in that situation who need help to get out. He killed that girl.
Then you guys are calling each other dumb and brining up OJ and are way off base.
Everyone brings something different here.
I am Black American, female , and Catholic. I am a big proponent of the Back to Africa Movement and the Back to Europe Movement and Back to whatever you come from or say you to come from or want to move to movement. Please go. Go live where it is better for you. The USA is not for you and the flag and anthem bothers you, go.
Me….ummmmm , The Middle East and Africa would not be so good for me.
Hmmmmm, Mexico is ok for the vacation places, but nooooooo. No thank you. I would not to live in Mexico. Well, where else? Eastern European countires…..eeehhhhhhh, NO! Not for me .No thank you.
Central and South America, again for me, NO!! Carribean vacation places are ok for vacations, but nah. Not a place there for me!!!
Hmmm, what places are left on Earth good for me? Western European countries, so-so. Good for a vacation, but not, nah, me living full –time for life and wanting my USA rights there, no. Too expensive and crowded in The UK and there is really that classism over there.
Swistezland! Oh, I am tens of millions of dollars short so that would not work for me.
Japan is expensive, tight and nah. Not for me. Australia, ehh, same as Japan. I like my rights here.
Well, what is left?
THE USA. I ‘m good. I am going to stay right here. nolaswami, burningmetal, who ever else here, ya’ll go. Move where ya’ll want to.

09-01-2016, 04:44 AM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning whether you stand up and stare at a flag is the most unimportant thing on earth. Symbolism is pointless/meaningless. youll forget about this when the Vikings pick him up and Minn. runs down hill all season in that shiny new dome. That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card. As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 12:25 AM	#2
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal That's a pretty lazy way to look at it. It isn't merely the symbolism of standing or not standing for a flag. It was his reasoning behind it. And that is what we're discussing. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". If he had said that was his reason, we'd still be calling him a loser, but at least his intentions would be more clear. His reasons are instead very misguided, and he's just following along with this movement of playing the race card. As far as him having the right. He was allowed to do it and wasn't thrown in prison, right? And we aren't saying to throw him in prison. That's all "rights" afford anyone. It doesn't shield you from criticism. People need to get that straight. you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. Not standing up for the flag doesn't send a message to police or government. It says "screw you, America". no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it?
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09-02-2016, 12:33 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us. That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to. It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 12:45 AM	#4
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal I'm sorry you feel that way, but unfortunately you're flat out wrong. If it means nothing, then why does it apparently mean something to everyone, be it positive or negative? YOU have decided for yourself that it means nothing to you. That sounds like a personal problem, and not something that the rest of us should take under consideration when having a conversation of what the flag means to us. That flag is, IN FACT, our national flag. Not because I said so, and regardless of whether you care or not. So when you protest the flag, you protest the country. If you want to make a specific statement about something happening in this country, you go and speak to someone who it specifically pertains to. It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush. its not my feelings,its cold hard logical fact. Feelings have nothing to do with whether staring at a flag has any meaning. Feelings dont make things facts or truth's. no,it means nothing because it means nothing. whether I or you think it does or not. Its just a piece of material on a pole. it has no meaning and serves no purpose..unless you need an extra blanket. lets put it this way..if you believe in God..the all knowing creator doesnt give a damn about any nations flag.Americans dont get any special treatment. [[It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush]] no,its like not looking at a flag/ not standing for flag,no more,no less. what purpose does the flag serve when you are tired,cold,hungry? what did the flag do for Katrina?
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09-02-2016, 01:14 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning its not my feelings,its cold hard logical fact. Feelings have nothing to do with whether staring at a flag has any meaning. Feelings dont make things facts or truth's. no,it means nothing because it means nothing. whether I or you think it does or not. Its just a piece of material on a pole. it has no meaning and serves no purpose..unless you need an extra blanket. lets put it this way..if you believe in God..the all knowing creator doesnt give a damn about any nations flag.Americans dont get any special treatment. [[It's like throwing a bucket of paint at the wall instead of painting the actual picture with a brush]] no,its like not looking at a flag/ not standing for flag,no more,no less. what purpose does the flag serve when you are tired,cold,hungry? what did the flag do for Katrina? Again, you don't have to care about the flag. If your way of life is to sit back and say "eh, who cares, this isn't my problem". Go right ahead. This thread isn't for you, obviously. Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? He knows exactly what I'm saying, that he is in a public place where people can see him, and he is sitting where everyone else was standing. It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism. Showing respect for the fallen. It doesn't mean anything in a tangible sense, but everyone has an understanding what it represents. So when one person decides he's going to be the one to break the silence and be a jerk, he's disrespected everyone else. The flag doesn't have to have a tangible meaning. We all know what it represents, and why he is choosing not to stand for it. And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with, and not simply the flag itself, a piece of cloth on a pole, as you've noted.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 02:01 AM	#6
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal Again, you don't have to care about the flag. If your way of life is to sit back and say "eh, who cares, this isn't my problem". Go right ahead. This thread isn't for you, obviously. Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? He knows exactly what I'm saying, that he is in a public place where people can see him, and he is sitting where everyone else was standing. It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism. Showing respect for the fallen. It doesn't mean anything in a tangible sense, but everyone has an understanding what it represents. So when one person decides he's going to be the one to break the silence and be a jerk, he's disrespected everyone else. The flag doesn't have to have a tangible meaning. We all know what it represents, and why he is choosing not to stand for it. And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with, and not simply the flag itself, a piece of cloth on a pole, as you've noted. ((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.)) no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing. Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance. how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ? [[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]] how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State! {{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }} please tell me you are joking? how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont? The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game.
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09-02-2016, 02:21 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning ((It's no different from someone asking a crowd to partake in a moment of silence and one guy shouts "I'm glad he's dead!". The moment of silence was symbolism.)) no,its nothing like that what so ever. You are choosing to give meaning to something that has none. It compares to nothing because it is nothing. Only in your mind do you choose to create the importance. how is the tread not for me? where was the thread limited to pro-flag worshipers ? [[And it is his stance and the disrespect that he shows for his fellow Americans that people disagree with,]] how in the hell is he disrespecting anyone by not standing and looking at a flag? welcome to Orwellian society people ! you are expected to worship the State! {{Does the flag itself do anything for anyone? No, it doesn't. If you're sitting on your couch watching a game, no one expects you to stand up and place your hand on your heart. But when you are there, where the ceremony is taking place, and you purposefully protest it, you are giving the middle finger. Why else would he do it? }} please tell me you are joking? how the hell is not standing mean you are protesting anything? it means you are not standing. Why are you obligated to stand for a stupid meaningless ritual? who gives a damn if you dont? The Anthem isnt a ceremony. Its a silly gap in waiting for a game. Guy, your interpretation of what has meaning and what doesn't is completely your own. I didn't make any of these things mean what they do. They mean something to everyone in here except you. People have differing opinions on whether sitting or standing is acceptable, but people all have an opinion on what the flag represents, based on how they feel they've been treated by this country. If it isn't a protest to sit during the anthem, then why does Colin Kaepernick specifically acknowledge that he is protesting? So you get to decide what is a protest and what isn't, I guess? How is this thread not for you, you ask? Because we're all talking about it and you're saying it means nothing, and that you don't care. So why are you here? I don't worship the flag, nobody does. The anthem is something that's meant for people to stand together as Americans. I didn't create that meaning. Read the words of the song. But Colin doesn't want to stand with America because he thinks, or his movement thinks, that America is oppressing "his people". And that's where this argument began. If you say you stand for something, you better have knowledge for that which you stand. He comes across as very small minded and uninformed. He's a follower. And the example I gave with the moment of silence absolutely pertains to the subject. Because it's something that you can't quantify it's meaning, but yet it means something to a lot of people. The flag is no different. It's the same exact principle. It means nothing to YOU. When did you get the impression that anyone needed your permission to recognize a meaning of something, or what it represents? Maybe if you fought in a war and watched your friends die in the name of freedom, you would have taken pride in sticking that flag in the ground when it was all over, announcing that the war was over and America was free. But that's all silly talk, because you and I weren't there, right? Well I give a damn. And I don't apologize.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-02-2016, 12:41 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by A.8Manning you are deciding to put reasoning behind it. There is no reasoning behind it. Its a pointless action/symbolism. no,it just means you didnt stand up for a flag. I've not stood a few times because I didnt feel like it. It has nothing to do with anything else. I dont worship bed sheets on poles. Is this 1984 type stuff now? you dont need a right to stand up/not stand up for a stupid flag. Its the same as deciding to go here or there on a daily basis. Its nothing important to bother with. If media says nothing,no one knows and life goes on. Media created this stupid story and people who dont think for themselves bit on it. this is only a story because people waste time talking about it. its meaningless to ultimate reality and anything in life that actually matters. p.s. forgive me but... I dont see any editing tools to quote things and such above my post box when i edit or post or what ever...? where is it? If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure.

09-02-2016, 12:48 AM	#9
A.8Manning 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 120	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss Originally Posted by burningmetal If I forget to quote something in my original post, I haven't been able to figure out how to include the quote in my edit. It never works, so I'm not sure. forgive me again but..every site has these things,so why not here? whats the deal guys? is it my firefox? what? its no fun without an editor,smileys n stuff
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09-03-2016, 03:12 PM	#10
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Colin Kaepernick-discuss I made a joke earlier ,pg. 1 , about ColinK. I think I made the point I believe he is wrong. Why am I jumping in this mess to post my opinion when I already made mine in a sentence or two... Some of ya'll comments are way off in left field....off subject. OJ? Really? I'll get to that later. The US flag to me represents all of the men and women , White and Black, Other , who fought and died since 1776 to now, to make this country of freedoms that we all have. To disrespect the country's flag is to not honor all those people who fought and died for you to have the freedom and life here that you can have in this country. The words are important. It is an important, unitfying symbol of the U.S.A. I say the pledge to the US flag and to the state of Texas everyday. Work related. The US flag and the pledge unites people. It is a common link. The USA is not perfect. Where is it perfect? I’ll get to that later. Really, ColinK is contradicting himself. What he is doing is , is due to having those freedoms. He is very confused. Troubled. I feel more sorry for him, no I don't!! No. LOL!! I can see why he is troubled and he needs to accept himself and be thankful for all he has and how his life turned out. Like some people have that White guilt thing , well, some people have Black guilt too. I do believe his has some issues with being adopted and his White bio mom, who was not in his life, is out there now on twitter talking against him about sitting down and his Black bio father is unknown, I think. He is engaged to that radical woman. He grew up in a good family, just happened to be White, and lived a Mid Class lifestyle and in Wisconsin. Wearing Fidel Castro ,a Communist oppressor of the his people, was odd, crazy. CK tried to fit with some of the NFL's finest, LOL, the thuggish ones, and that was a mistake he made. Remember the incident a while back when he and some 49's and some trashy woman and she filed a lawsuit or something. Now he is turning Islamic. He is all over the place. He needs therapy. He needs to STFU too and stand up and salute this country and the people who fought then and now for him to have all these freedoms he has. His protest is in the wrong way. As for protesting, you, whoever, ColinK, can protest here in this country, unlike other places all you want for whatever. The price of tomatoes , Trump, Hillary, the police, whatever. Again, ColinK is misled. Do you ever notice that the people against the police are the ones who need the police or the ones who can get the police and better access to the police? I left a post about that. Again, he is confused. Racisms, ageism sexism, nepotism, classism, etc. , you will always have. I DID NOT say these things are right, so do not misread me. However, our flag and anthem represents our country and in our country, wrongs can change. You have a transparent justice system, laws for all, citizens being allowed as jurors, etc. Wrongs can change. You have the freedoms to change wrongs. You have rights here. Disrespecting the U.S. flag and anthem and THE country is not the way to protest or prove a point. CK is defeating his purpose. He is doing like what 2 years old do when they do not get what they want and they just drop to the floor and fall out. Tantrum. The 2 year olds learn that tantrums do not work. You guys and name calling each other and your views on other cases and bringing up OJ, way off subject. I said I would get back to that. In my opinion, OJ should have stayed with his wife instead of picking that 18 year. Opps, sorry . It is true. I am not , NOT for DV. I think DV is very serious and pity those women in that situation who need help to get out. He killed that girl. Then you guys are calling each other dumb and brining up OJ and are way off base. Everyone brings something different here. I am Black American, female , and Catholic. I am a big proponent of the Back to Africa Movement and the Back to Europe Movement and Back to whatever you come from or say you to come from or want to move to movement. Please go. Go live where it is better for you. The USA is not for you and the flag and anthem bothers you, go. Me….ummmmm , The Middle East and Africa would not be so good for me. Hmmmmm, Mexico is ok for the vacation places, but nooooooo. No thank you. I would not to live in Mexico. Well, where else? Eastern European countires…..eeehhhhhhh, NO! Not for me .No thank you. Central and South America, again for me, NO!! Carribean vacation places are ok for vacations, but nah. Not a place there for me!!! Hmmm, what places are left on Earth good for me? Western European countries, so-so. Good for a vacation, but not, nah, me living full –time for life and wanting my USA rights there, no. Too expensive and crowded in The UK and there is really that classism over there. Swistezland! Oh, I am tens of millions of dollars short so that would not work for me. Japan is expensive, tight and nah. Not for me. Australia, ehh, same as Japan. I like my rights here. Well, what is left? THE USA. I ‘m good. I am going to stay right here. nolaswami, burningmetal, who ever else here, ya’ll go. Move where ya’ll want to. skymike and pherein like this.

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