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Srgt. Hulka 10-14-2019 10:27 PM

The referees this year SUCK!
 
Another game was just determined by suck-ass officiating. The officials just gave the game to Green Bay, not by one call, but many terrible calls against Detroit, ensuring that Green Bay wins and stays on top of their devision.
The referees this year just SUCK and should be held accountable.

jeanpierre 10-14-2019 11:51 PM

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Folks who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Saints have paid dearly themselves for not realizing - never let it come down to the league's officiating...

jeanpierre 10-15-2019 12:08 AM

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jeanpierre 10-15-2019 12:09 AM

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jeanpierre 10-15-2019 12:16 AM

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burningmetal 10-15-2019 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 861696)
Folks who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Saints have paid dearly themselves for not realizing - never let it come down to the league's officiating...

I have never cared for this saying. No disrespect to you, I just think it misses the point.

It's easy for us to sit here and say "well, if so and so had done this, and what's his name had done that, it wouldn't have come down to the officials".

But you have two teams who are both trying to win. Nothing is easy. You make mistakes, but you're still fighting and clawing to do whatever you can to win... And then the refs make a terrible, bone-headed call that has nothing to do with the competition on the field, and has everything to do with whatever they "think" happened. They simply "see" something that isn't there, or don't see something that clearly is. So, yeah, you can say that players could have done things better, but it shouldn't be assumed that because a game is close, the players just screwed it up. They are going up against another NFL team who is trying to stop them. Refs are not going up against anything.

Games should be won and lost by the players. It's one thing for refs to make small mistakes. It's another thing, entirely, when they are flat out blowing calls.

jeanpierre 10-15-2019 12:42 AM

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burningmetal 10-15-2019 12:47 AM

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So now Blakeman has changed the rules to suit his crew's blunders? It's hands to the face, not hands to the head or neck area.

Plus, the contact appeared to be on the shoulder, close to the neck, but not on the neck. As usual, refs can never just say "my bad".

jeanpierre 10-15-2019 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 861708)
I have never cared for this saying. No disrespect to you, I just think it misses the point.

It's easy for us to sit here and say "well, if so and so had done this, and what's his name had done that, it wouldn't have come down to the officials".

But you have two teams who are both trying to win. Nothing is easy. You make mistakes, but you're still fighting and clawing to do whatever you can to win... And then the refs make a terrible, bone-headed call that has nothing to do with the competition on the field, and has everything to do with whatever they "think" happened. They simply "see" something that isn't there, or don't see something that clearly is. So, yeah, you can say that players could have done things better, but it shouldn't be assumed that because a game is close, the players just screwed it up. They are going up against another NFL team who is trying to stop them. Refs are not going up against anything.

Games should be won and lost by the players. It's one thing for refs to make small mistakes. It's another thing, entirely, when they are flat out blowing calls.

burn, I take no disrespect, and I'm inclined to agree with you, but it's a non-starter because we don't live in a perfect world...

...and if history, actual past (repeating) events, has taught us anything is that in close games there are certain teams that always come up on the right side of a poor call and the other teams get the short of it...

We (the Saints) have to defeat our opponents soundly, definitively and should avoid letting one call determine the outcome of a short game...

NFL office has gone out of its way to continue a shady, ambiguous, antiquated method of officiating games.

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to the sport, and prefer the game as it's been as I've grown up, but the NFL wants to constantly "update" the game like Apple wants to "update" iPhones...

Then why have we not "updated" the way we officiate games including have a ref in the booth (as broadcasters now have) who have a very resourceful perspective and can call BS on bad, missed calls?

burningmetal 10-15-2019 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 861711)
burn, I take no disrespect, and I'm inclined to agree with you, but it's a non-starter because we don't live in a perfect world...

...and if history, actual past (repeating) events, has taught us anything is that in close games there are certain teams that always come up on the right side of a poor call and the other teams get the short of it...

We (the Saints) have to defeat our opponents soundly, definitively and should avoid letting one call determine the outcome of a short game...

NFL office has gone out of its way to continue a shady, ambiguous, antiquated method of officiating games.

I'm a traditionalist when it comes to the sport, and prefer the game as it's been as I've grown up, but the NFL wants to constantly "update" the game like Apple wants to "update" iPhones...

Then why have we not "updated" the way we officiate games including have a ref in the booth (as broadcasters now have) who have a very resourceful perspective and can call BS on bad, missed calls?

I understand your point that we don't live in a perfect world, but imperfection and blatant, repeated mistakes are two different problems.

Which brings us back to the discussion at hand. Yes, we all know there is favoritism in officiating, and that is exactly why we complain about it. If it were up to any team to just decide that they won't let it be close, then there would be no problem. But, obviously, it isn't that easy. Referees, and the people who employ them, to your earlier point, have the ability to "update" the way they do things. The NFL also has the ability to hold it's officials accountable, and yet, they have never shown a willingness to do so. The NFL needs a real leader to be it's commissioner. Someone who is willing to hold his officials accountable, and one who does not make up rules arbitrarily, who will enforce rules and punishments uniformly throughout the league.

But the owners made their bed with Goodell.

jeanpierre 10-15-2019 07:32 AM

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Srgt. Hulka 10-15-2019 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 861696)
Folks who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

Saints have paid dearly themselves for not realizing - never let it come down to the league's officiating...

The Lions were very much in control of the game up until around the 10:00 mark of the 4th quarter. The officials had very little impact in the game up until then. The Lions had a 10 point lead. They're defense held the Packers on a third down play. GB was about to punt it away to Detroit. What's this? A "Hands to the face" penalty that wasn't REALLY a hands to the face? Green Bay miraculously gets a new set of downs, the air was blown out of Detroit's defense, and GB goes down and scores a TD. On the Lions next possession, there was a flagrant PI committed by GB that was NOT called. The Lions have to punt. Once again, Detroit's defense stops Green Bay in the Red Zone. GB was going to have to kick a field goal with about a minute and a half left in the game. Wait! What's this? A "hands to the face" penalty against Detroit? GB now has first and goal and is able to run out the clock and kick a "game winning" field goal as time ran out. Game over.
The referees took two possessions away from Detroit, period, and screwed them out of an obvious first down that would have kept their last drive alive.
So, was the game close enough to rely on the refs for the outcome? Not until the refs decided who would win the game and got involved in making sure that happened.

IMO, the League should just go ahead and pick the two teams they want in the Superbowl, and go ahead and play it...get it over with.

The League is as crooked as a dogs hind leg, and after watching the **** show that they have put on last season and this, there is nothing you can say to convince me otherwise.

Barry from MS 10-15-2019 03:09 PM

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Zero penalties in the 1st quarter. A virtual flag fest in the 4th quarter. Who was in the lead in the 4th? How many went Detroit's way in the 4th?

Convince me this isn't WWE. Last night was just a small sample size of refs correcting the script.

CHA_CHING 10-15-2019 03:11 PM

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I feel bad for Lions fans, that's 2 games I've watched with their team get royally screwed on the final drive.

Vs Kansas City; the Chiefs needed 2 WTF phantom holding calls both on 3rd and 4th down when they failed to convert. They got a TD out of it.

Vs Green Bay, the Pack needed 2 of these on 3rd down when they failed to convert to barely win.

Officiating was awful too in the Chiefs/Colts game. Patrick Mahomes has had 3 interceptions called back by the refs this year.

CHA_CHING 10-15-2019 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 861822)
Zero penalties in the 1st quarter. A virtual flag fest in the 4th quarter. Who was in the lead in the 4th? How many went Detroit's way in the 4th?

Convince me this isn't WWE. Last night was just a small sample size of refs correcting the script.

Detroit didn't get any calls go their way last night.

Even in the 2nd quarter, Packers needed all kinds of calls to march down the field and put a field goal on the board.

Someone in Seattle said this last year that GB's offensive line gets away with holding every game cause they have golden boy at QB and I think that is the truth. I've watched so many Packers games and they have gotten away with it for years.

K Major 10-15-2019 03:15 PM

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These clowns are going to cost another team a win once the playoff starts.

The replay system is broken.

CHA_CHING 10-15-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 861825)
These clowns are going to cost another team a win once the playoff starts.

It'll be whoever has to play in Green Bay or Seattle.

Packers are THE team that gets all the calls in the playoffs. I have never seen a team get such favorable calls when they're on the road except them.

Go back to that "run the table" year in 2016. Several missed calls vs the Giants set that game up to be a blowout.

A week later on the road in Dallas, on that final drive, Rodgers gets picked by Sean Lee, it's called back on a tick tacky call. Early in that game, the refs called a weird penalty no one had heard since the 1980s, on Dallas of course. Even when the Packers are on the road they get all these calls go their way. Also says a lot about the "Jerry and the refs" conspiracy theories; Dallas couldn't even get favorable treatment at home against the Packers in 2016; the year the SB was just a few hours away down in Houston.

Even in Atlanta, a blowout game; the refs gave them a bunch of calls trying to spark life in them. But it didn't work cause they were truly a mediocre team and getting beat into the ground by a decent team for once.

Back in 2011 when they were 15-1, their only 2 touchdowns against the Giants were ref aided calling back a fumble and another drive where they needed a conversion.

I've always hated Seattle who needed tons of calls to go their way in their 2 SB years. We got screwed in that stadium and then against the 49ers, they needed several WTF calls to barely win that game. Wilson throwing that pick vs the Patriots was karma for all of that. They got a SB win that no one will remember cause all we ever think about is how they choked it away the next year.

Barry from MS 10-15-2019 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 861825)
These clowns are going to cost another team a win once the playoff starts.

The replay system is broken.

How about refs eat their flags on ticky tack crap and throw it when its blatant? It's sad when announcers are shocked when there ISN'T a flag.


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