Mike Nolan fires in Dallas

jeanpierre · 01-11-2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.

Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

Lord_Saint83 · 01-11-2021, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

He's better than Joe Vitt as a LBR coach.

Joe Vitt is a joke

gosaints1 · 01-11-2021, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2021, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

ChrisXVI · 01-11-2021, 06:21 PM

gosaints1 · 01-11-2021, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

Change the timeline all you wish..., but Since JJ has been the owner of the Cowboys, 1989, 31 years ago, he has 3 (three) SB wins.

Since the Benson Boogie train has been in place, 4 (four) years before that, 1985, iirc, the Saints have 1 (One).

3 (three) is greater than 1 (one). I won’t pick an arbitrary timeline, one of my own creation, in order to deliberately mislead folks. I’ll use the entire timeline and accomplishments by both, in their respective timelines. One set of years is “cherry picking” (yours) and the other set is unambiguously factual (mine). Unless I made an error in their ownership dates. Entirely possible, lol.

“Relevancy” is a word I did not use, I used the word effective. And the reason I used effective is bc I very clearly think winning three times as many Super Bowl’s in fewer years is a more effective ownership paradigm..., that is if you use championships as the goal of each team at the beginning of each season. If you’re of the mindset that sitting around a drum circle signing folks songs is the better “goal” to determine effectiveness, then so be it. I use championships.

jeanpierre · 05-07-2021, 12:00 PM

Solid Arguments defending Mike Nolan's effort in Dallas...

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gosaints1 · 05-07-2021, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Solid Arguments defending Mike Nolan's effort in Dallas...

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/st...55170443456512

Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching.

He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc:

1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close.

2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season.

3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings.

4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed.

5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed.

6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game.

7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch.

meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job.

jeanpierre · 05-07-2021, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching.

He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc:

1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close.

2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season.

3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings.

4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed.

5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed.

6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game.

7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch.

meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job.

But if you look at the previous seasons, you can see the defense was getting exposed more and more; and the team just wasn't hitting on their draft picks, especially secondary...

01-11-2021, 12:55 PM	#11
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by gosaints1 I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that. Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything... gosaints1 and K Major like this.

01-11-2021, 01:56 PM	#12
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything... But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by gosaints1 But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time. More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

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01-11-2021, 08:19 PM	#16
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance. Change the timeline all you wish..., but Since JJ has been the owner of the Cowboys, 1989, 31 years ago, he has 3 (three) SB wins. Since the Benson Boogie train has been in place, 4 (four) years before that, 1985, iirc, the Saints have 1 (One). 3 (three) is greater than 1 (one). I won’t pick an arbitrary timeline, one of my own creation, in order to deliberately mislead folks. I’ll use the entire timeline and accomplishments by both, in their respective timelines. One set of years is “cherry picking” (yours) and the other set is unambiguously factual (mine). Unless I made an error in their ownership dates. Entirely possible, lol. “Relevancy” is a word I did not use, I used the word effective. And the reason I used effective is bc I very clearly think winning three times as many Super Bowl’s in fewer years is a more effective ownership paradigm..., that is if you use championships as the goal of each team at the beginning of each season. If you’re of the mindset that sitting around a drum circle signing folks songs is the better “goal” to determine effectiveness, then so be it. I use championships.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by jeanpierre Solid Arguments defending Mike Nolan's effort in Dallas... https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/st...55170443456512 Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching. He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc: 1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close. 2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season. 3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings. 4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed. 5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed. 6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game. 7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch. meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job. jeanpierre likes this.
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05-07-2021, 02:27 PM	#19
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by gosaints1 Agreed jp, they are solid arguments..., and there is no doubt Nolan was scapegoated. But..., Somebody had to be fired..., unless you think having one of the worst defenses in team history is an ideal outcome wrt successful coaching. He may be one heck of a pos’n coach, but I’m not buying the article’s intimation that Nolan wasn’t afforded enough time or resources to be effective and successful as a coordinator. He was fired bc: 1) No Dallas team in history, 61 years, has ever allowed points approaching what Nolan’s defense allowed of 473. Not even close. 2) No Dallas team has ever allowed 34 passing TD’s in a season. 3) No Dallas team has ever allowed an entire season of opposing QB’s to post 100+ Passer ratings. 4) Only one Dallas team, 2013, has ever posted more yards allowed. 5) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (expansion season), has posted more points allowed. 6) Only two Dallas teams, 1960 and 2000, allowed more rushing yards per game. 7) Only one Dallas team, 1960 (winless (iirc) expansion team), allowed more yards per carry. And it was so close that pro-football focus has them effectively tied at allowing 5.0 yards per touch. meh - justified firing. You can’t be the worst DC in a team’s history..., and retain your job. But if you look at the previous seasons, you can see the defense was getting exposed more and more; and the team just wasn't hitting on their draft picks, especially secondary... gosaints1 likes this.