Mike Nolan fires in Dallas

Lord_Saint83 · 01-09-2021, 06:19 PM

He might be a sh*tty DC but he’s a damn good LB coach

jeanpierre · 01-10-2021, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

He might be a sh*tty DC but he’s a damn good LB coach

How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones?

Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference

Year Job Team Def Rank

1993 DC NYG 1

1994 DC NYG 8

1995 DC NYG 16

1996 DC NYG 10

1997 DC WAS 8

1998 DC WAS 28

1999 DC WAS 24

2000 DC NYJ 13

2002 DC BAL 19

2003 DC BAL 6

2004 DC BAL 6

2005 HC SF 30

2006 HC SF 32

2007 HC SF 20

2008 HC SF 23

2009 DC DEN 12

2010 DC MIA 14

2011 DC MIA 6

2012 DC ATL 5

2013 DC ATL 27

2014 DC ATL 27

gosaints1 · 01-10-2021, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones?

Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference

Year Job Team Def Rank

1993 DC NYG 1

1994 DC NYG 8

1995 DC NYG 16

1996 DC NYG 10

1997 DC WAS 8

1998 DC WAS 28

1999 DC WAS 24

2000 DC NYJ 13

2002 DC BAL 19

2003 DC BAL 6

2004 DC BAL 6

2005 HC SF 30

2006 HC SF 32

2007 HC SF 20

2008 HC SF 23

2009 DC DEN 12

2010 DC MIA 14

2011 DC MIA 6

2012 DC ATL 5

2013 DC ATL 27

2014 DC ATL 27

I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.

jeanpierre · 01-11-2021, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.

Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

gosaints1 · 01-11-2021, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything...

But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

AsylumGuido · 01-11-2021, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.

More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

gosaints1 · 01-11-2021, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

Change the timeline all you wish..., but Since JJ has been the owner of the Cowboys, 1989, 31 years ago, he has 3 (three) SB wins.

Since the Benson Boogie train has been in place, 4 (four) years before that, 1985, iirc, the Saints have 1 (One).

3 (three) is greater than 1 (one). I won’t pick an arbitrary timeline, one of my own creation, in order to deliberately mislead folks. I’ll use the entire timeline and accomplishments by both, in their respective timelines. One set of years is “cherry picking” (yours) and the other set is unambiguously factual (mine). Unless I made an error in their ownership dates. Entirely possible, lol.

“Relevancy” is a word I did not use, I used the word effective. And the reason I used effective is bc I very clearly think winning three times as many Super Bowl’s in fewer years is a more effective ownership paradigm..., that is if you use championships as the goal of each team at the beginning of each season. If you’re of the mindset that sitting around a drum circle signing folks songs is the better “goal” to determine effectiveness, then so be it. I use championships.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 He might be a sh*tty DC but he’s a damn good LB coach How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones? Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference Year Job Team Def Rank 1993 DC NYG 1 1994 DC NYG 8 1995 DC NYG 16 1996 DC NYG 10 1997 DC WAS 8 1998 DC WAS 28 1999 DC WAS 24 2000 DC NYJ 13 2002 DC BAL 19 2003 DC BAL 6 2004 DC BAL 6 2005 HC SF 30 2006 HC SF 32 2007 HC SF 20 2008 HC SF 23 2009 DC DEN 12 2010 DC MIA 14 2011 DC MIA 6 2012 DC ATL 5 2013 DC ATL 27 2014 DC ATL 27 gosaints1 likes this.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by jeanpierre How much of it is Mike Nolan, how much of that is working for Jerry Jones? Man has a lot of experience, Per ProFootball Reference Year Job Team Def Rank 1993 DC NYG 1 1994 DC NYG 8 1995 DC NYG 16 1996 DC NYG 10 1997 DC WAS 8 1998 DC WAS 28 1999 DC WAS 24 2000 DC NYJ 13 2002 DC BAL 19 2003 DC BAL 6 2004 DC BAL 6 2005 HC SF 30 2006 HC SF 32 2007 HC SF 20 2008 HC SF 23 2009 DC DEN 12 2010 DC MIA 14 2011 DC MIA 6 2012 DC ATL 5 2013 DC ATL 27 2014 DC ATL 27 I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by gosaints1 I get what you’re saying..., but Jerry Jones has 3 Super Bowl rings in the last 30 years. That’s three times as many championships in half the amount of time as the way the Saints have managed the team ownership paradigm. Others have been successful with Jerry Jones, I don’t see the logic behind: “ Nolan Good bc... Jerruh bad”. But, that’s just me. That defense in Dallas is bad. That defense in Atlanta was bad. Lots of very good, superstar playmakers on that Baltimore defense also. A good argument could be made he was riding the coattails of superstars like Reed, Boulware and Ray Lewis. He was a “one and done” coordinator in a lot of places. There is a reason for that. Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything... gosaints1 and K Major like this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jerry Jones got three rings in four years with two from a coach he ran off, and one that was a cruise director - perspective is everything... But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by gosaints1 But he did get three, and we’ve only gotten one..., which tells me his ownership style, while being very hands on, is more effective than the Benson Boogie crowd. Benson began in 85 and JJ began ownership in 89, iirc, roughly same amount of time. More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Mike Nolan fires in Dallas Originally Posted by AsylumGuido More effective? Dallas has been irrelevant for the past quarter of a century under Jones' guidance. Change the timeline all you wish..., but Since JJ has been the owner of the Cowboys, 1989, 31 years ago, he has 3 (three) SB wins. Since the Benson Boogie train has been in place, 4 (four) years before that, 1985, iirc, the Saints have 1 (One). 3 (three) is greater than 1 (one). I won’t pick an arbitrary timeline, one of my own creation, in order to deliberately mislead folks. I’ll use the entire timeline and accomplishments by both, in their respective timelines. One set of years is “cherry picking” (yours) and the other set is unambiguously factual (mine). Unless I made an error in their ownership dates. Entirely possible, lol. “Relevancy” is a word I did not use, I used the word effective. And the reason I used effective is bc I very clearly think winning three times as many Super Bowl’s in fewer years is a more effective ownership paradigm..., that is if you use championships as the goal of each team at the beginning of each season. If you’re of the mindset that sitting around a drum circle signing folks songs is the better “goal” to determine effectiveness, then so be it. I use championships.
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