New Stadium Resolution.....

saintswhodi · 07-03-2007, 09:29 AM

was pushing for a new stadium to attract the Saints and a majority of "your growing cities" citizens said they would NOT be in favor of public money funding this proposed new stadium. Sounds to me like the citizens of the great city of San Anton aren't that interested in bringing a team there. Also, if you bought a new stadium just 5 years ago, then why 9th in the league in attendance? Winning team, fairly new stadium, growing city? Doesnt' add up. Every arguement you bring up the facts don't support.

*sigh* The people in the city wouldn't approve public funds for a new stadium for the SAINTS cause the people in the city didn't want to get THE SAINTS this way. You are criticizing an entire city for the actions of one. Again, you must be fully on board with Nagin's Chocolate City comments and other ignorant remarks, I mean, since one person can rep an entire city. That's silly. Also, as I explained before, and sadly have to explain again, the Spurs were 9th in attendance out of 30 teams just on arena size They got beat out in average attendance and total attendance because other arenas are larger. That's it. Not cause of indifference. Seriously, why are you bothering? But we get to why later. I'll save it for last.

You say, "WE ARE A GROWING CITY AND CAN SUPPORT AN NFL TEAM"
Fact: You had the Saints for a number of games and there were PLENTY of empty seats

The Saints were never San Antonio's team, were losing, and for the fifth time, the PEOPLE of San Antonio DID NOT WANT the Saints to come in this manner. Seems simple.

You then say, "WELL, THE SAINTS WERE MIRED IN ONE OF THEIR WORST SEASONS IN THEIR HISTORY"
Fact: You conteract this statement by bringing up the fact that the Hornets benefited from a "new fan base in Ok" even though the Horntes haven't made the playoffs in the last two seasons in Oklahoma City.

Well, to let you know as someone else said, there's no other game in town in OK City. And they put themselves on the map with their support. When the Hornets went to New Orleans, "a new fan base," their attendance sucked. Also, the games in San Antonio sold out, but there were "empty seats" cause people chose not to go see the 2-12 Saints vs the 2-12 Lions on Christmas Eve. Way to mislead. I do have to correct my previous statement on this though caus I did use OK City as an example of a new fan base turning out and I used new Orleans as an example of a crappy team in the Hornets not getting support with a new fan base. Two separate examples.

San Antonio tried to get in bed with a whore in Benson and Tagliabue and the NFL wouldn't allow it. It takes two to tango and both are responsible for kicking the good Saints fans in the face where they were at the lowest point possible. I'd rather not even get into this anymore. If you had family that had to relocate because of Katrina then you should understand how hard many of us take this subject. Many of us having nothing but contempt for not only Benson, but San Antonio as well after what happened. Not matter what kind of Spurs spin or "growing city" spin you put on it, many of us still have very, very ill feelings towards San Antonio. You love it there, great. You can have it. San Antonio doesn't DESERVE an NFL team and I hope they never get one for what the did to us.

This is really what it comes down to. I said in the last post you had a bias, and here it is. Sadly, you can't separate the actionsof one from the wants of many. SAN ANTONIO didn't try to steal the Saints, Benson tried to run with them and had Hardburglar as an accomplice. The PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO did not want a team this way. Your hatred for the people in San Antonio is misguided and should be directed at the people most involved with the attempt to take the team, and mainly Tom Benson. He WENT TO the mayors of San An and surrounding cities and whored the team. But you'd rather blame people who had nothing to do with it. That's ignorant. Wait, i'll apply the same logic. You live in New Orleans right? Then I blame you for all of Nagin's stupid comments, and for the fact the city is still in shambles 2 years after Katrina. I don't care if you do not share his feelings on "chocolate city" and I don't care if you WANT things to get back to normal. Yoru mayor did and said some stupid things, so I blame it all on you, no matter that federal and state aid didn't help either when it's come down to time to heal. Doesn't matter one bit. It's your fault and I hate you for New Orleans not being back to normal by now. Fair right?

saintswhodi · 07-03-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Check out attendance for the Hornets when they moved to New Orleans if you wanna know what a slumping franchise does to a new fan base.

This was my most recent point on the Hornets and "a new fan base." The OK city comments were used to show how a city without a team can put themself on the map, like OK City did with the NBA, and like San An did with the NFL. Even Tags before he went out said San An proved itself as an option the should look at. But let's agree to disagree and move on.

saintswhodi · 07-03-2007, 10:03 AM

Was there a point in all of that? Any? I said OK city put themselves on the map when they hosted the Hornets when making a point about San An putting themselves on the map, but I also said a slumping Hornets team suffered atrocious attendance in New Orleans, when making a point about the "empty seats" in San Antonio. See the difference? Probably not.

At any rate, it's funny you get to distance yourself from Nagin, yet you hold the people of San Antonio responsible for Hardburglar. Double standard much?

Also, who would know better how the people of San An felt about the Saints being here under those circumstances, someone who lives in San An, or someone who lives 600 miles away and hates the city cause of the actions of one?

So in the midst of all this, your best bet was questioning my loyalty? I didn;t become a Spurs fan when I moved to San An, I have been a Spurs fan for 20 years, even when I lived in New Orleans. As a matter of fact, I still have a Spurs starters jacket I got in HIGH SCHOOL at Kennedy with the old spurs colors before they went to straight silver and black. But what the blue hell does that have to do with you not being a Suns fan when you lived in Phoenix? What does being a Spurs fan have to do with being a Saints fan? Are you kidding here? In case you may be unaware, New Orleans did not have a basketball team, and I was too young to know about the Jazz. I don't even remember when they left. But I actually saw David Robinson play in a game in the Lakefront Arena when I was a kid, becase a fan of his, and when he was drafted by the Spurs, I became a Spurs fan. That was 1987. That has no bearing on my loyalty to New Orleans, and it's sad your lack of relevant points had to lead you down that path. You're making this seem as if I want the Saints to leave New Orleans, which I have made extremely clear is not wha I want. Hell, I am the one pushing for them to get a new stadium so there is no doubt. But it's really unfortunate people are putting out mistruths about San An not being a viable market for a team, and my main goal is to dispel that non-truth in the hopes others don't feel the same way, and disregard the threat, shoot down a new stadium, and have the team leave.

Lastly, while we are talking about media markets, New Orleans is ranked LOWER than San An, yet they support the Saints, and have for years, ya know how? Cause, well, let's see, there are more Saints fans than in just NEW ORLEANS in the area, just like there are more football fans then in just San Antonio. Take Austin for instance, about the same distance from NO that Baton Rouge is. And since the discussions about the team were between the mayors of Austin, San An, and Laredo, I guess you can count their markets together, just like you can count markets all along the gulf coast for the Saints. It's not a simple matter of "this city ranks..." cause that doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you want to leave it as San Antonio ranking much higer than New Orleans, even before Katrina, thus showing if New Orleans can do it, San An could do it right? Simply going by a ranking that is. Just move on.

JOESAM2002 · 07-03-2007, 10:21 AM

Ok guys,this is getting far to political. Do we need to move it?

McKenzie · 07-03-2007, 03:37 PM

Just for the record, I was at all 3 Saints games and there were NOT plenty of seats open. If you want to talk about open seats in 05, take a good look at footage from Tiger Stadium. Sold out the first game. After that, it was a ghost town, especially the last game there. 2 of my best friends were there and called me from the game. It was really sad.

No one knew what would happen in New Orleans, if the team could go back. Did people want them here...yes. But, trust me, Benson wasn't mobbed by citizens and forced to think about a relocation. Most of the talk was very early on when no one knew IF New Orleans could be saved. We didn't take advantage of a natural disaster and try to steal the team. We offered them a home if theirs wasn't able to be fixed.

saintswhodi · 07-03-2007, 03:56 PM

Well said.

McKenzie · 07-03-2007, 04:35 PM

Thank you.

Nemesis · 07-12-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by McKenzie

No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here.

SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them.

Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys.

I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day.

I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too.

FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint.

p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams.

I missed your responses. Thanks for your input in this thread. My sis works for ABC News in Houston. I may wander down for the game. She offered me SB tickets one year, but I would've had to miss a 3 week gig offshore. SBs are nice, but money is better. heh.

I wouldn't advise any La plates in TX these days. We aren't welcome. My sis suggested that I spread some mud on my plate, and damned if I wasn't pulled over for no reason during the wee hours. At least the trooper was polite, and sent us on our way. My sis lives in Sugarland, so I'm versed on the route to Reliant from there.

BoudinSandwich · 07-15-2007, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by McKenzie

Just for the record, I was at all 3 Saints games and there were NOT plenty of seats open. If you want to talk about open seats in 05, take a good look at footage from Tiger Stadium. Sold out the first game. After that, it was a ghost town, especially the last game there. 2 of my best friends were there and called me from the game. It was really sad.

No one knew what would happen in New Orleans, if the team could go back. Did people want them here...yes. But, trust me, Benson wasn't mobbed by citizens and forced to think about a relocation. Most of the talk was very early on when no one knew IF New Orleans could be saved. We didn't take advantage of a natural disaster and try to steal the team. We offered them a home if theirs wasn't able to be fixed.

1) A lot of the fans couldn't even make the games in Baton Rouge due to the hurricanes.

2) The city of Baton Rouge treated the NFL and the Saints like the games were amateur ping pong matches. They refused to use the typical plans that they practice for College Football games. I didn't even want to attend the other games at Tiger Stadium after the way we were treated during the first game.

Not to mention the arrogant-ass Tiger fans that bought tickets to mock the Saints the entire time.

That city left a bad taste in my mouth. It's pathetic, but true. The State Capital of Louisiana isn't a Saints fan.

That's why they're the New Orleans Saints, guys. It's the only city that can truely love this team.

07-03-2007, 09:29 AM	#101
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	was pushing for a new stadium to attract the Saints and a majority of "your growing cities" citizens said they would NOT be in favor of public money funding this proposed new stadium. Sounds to me like the citizens of the great city of San Anton aren't that interested in bringing a team there. Also, if you bought a new stadium just 5 years ago, then why 9th in the league in attendance? Winning team, fairly new stadium, growing city? Doesnt' add up. Every arguement you bring up the facts don't support. sigh The people in the city wouldn't approve public funds for a new stadium for the SAINTS cause the people in the city didn't want to get THE SAINTS this way. You are criticizing an entire city for the actions of one. Again, you must be fully on board with Nagin's Chocolate City comments and other ignorant remarks, I mean, since one person can rep an entire city. That's silly. Also, as I explained before, and sadly have to explain again, the Spurs were 9th in attendance out of 30 teams just on arena size They got beat out in average attendance and total attendance because other arenas are larger. That's it. Not cause of indifference. Seriously, why are you bothering? But we get to why later. I'll save it for last. You say, "WE ARE A GROWING CITY AND CAN SUPPORT AN NFL TEAM" Fact: You had the Saints for a number of games and there were PLENTY of empty seats The Saints were never San Antonio's team, were losing, and for the fifth time, the PEOPLE of San Antonio DID NOT WANT the Saints to come in this manner. Seems simple. You then say, "WELL, THE SAINTS WERE MIRED IN ONE OF THEIR WORST SEASONS IN THEIR HISTORY" Fact: You conteract this statement by bringing up the fact that the Hornets benefited from a "new fan base in Ok" even though the Horntes haven't made the playoffs in the last two seasons in Oklahoma City. Well, to let you know as someone else said, there's no other game in town in OK City. And they put themselves on the map with their support. When the Hornets went to New Orleans, "a new fan base," their attendance sucked. Also, the games in San Antonio sold out, but there were "empty seats" cause people chose not to go see the 2-12 Saints vs the 2-12 Lions on Christmas Eve. Way to mislead. I do have to correct my previous statement on this though caus I did use OK City as an example of a new fan base turning out and I used new Orleans as an example of a crappy team in the Hornets not getting support with a new fan base. Two separate examples. San Antonio tried to get in bed with a whore in Benson and Tagliabue and the NFL wouldn't allow it. It takes two to tango and both are responsible for kicking the good Saints fans in the face where they were at the lowest point possible. I'd rather not even get into this anymore. If you had family that had to relocate because of Katrina then you should understand how hard many of us take this subject. Many of us having nothing but contempt for not only Benson, but San Antonio as well after what happened. Not matter what kind of Spurs spin or "growing city" spin you put on it, many of us still have very, very ill feelings towards San Antonio. You love it there, great. You can have it. San Antonio doesn't DESERVE an NFL team and I hope they never get one for what the did to us. This is really what it comes down to. I said in the last post you had a bias, and here it is. Sadly, you can't separate the actionsof one from the wants of many. SAN ANTONIO didn't try to steal the Saints, Benson tried to run with them and had Hardburglar as an accomplice. The PEOPLE OF SAN ANTONIO did not want a team this way. Your hatred for the people in San Antonio is misguided and should be directed at the people most involved with the attempt to take the team, and mainly Tom Benson. He WENT TO the mayors of San An and surrounding cities and whored the team. But you'd rather blame people who had nothing to do with it. That's ignorant. Wait, i'll apply the same logic. You live in New Orleans right? Then I blame you for all of Nagin's stupid comments, and for the fact the city is still in shambles 2 years after Katrina. I don't care if you do not share his feelings on "chocolate city" and I don't care if you WANT things to get back to normal. Yoru mayor did and said some stupid things, so I blame it all on you, no matter that federal and state aid didn't help either when it's come down to time to heal. Doesn't matter one bit. It's your fault and I hate you for New Orleans not being back to normal by now. Fair right?
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07-03-2007, 09:36 AM	#102
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Check out attendance for the Hornets when they moved to New Orleans if you wanna know what a slumping franchise does to a new fan base. This was my most recent point on the Hornets and "a new fan base." The OK city comments were used to show how a city without a team can put themself on the map, like OK City did with the NBA, and like San An did with the NFL. Even Tags before he went out said San An proved itself as an option the should look at. But let's agree to disagree and move on.

07-03-2007, 10:03 AM	#103
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Was there a point in all of that? Any? I said OK city put themselves on the map when they hosted the Hornets when making a point about San An putting themselves on the map, but I also said a slumping Hornets team suffered atrocious attendance in New Orleans, when making a point about the "empty seats" in San Antonio. See the difference? Probably not. At any rate, it's funny you get to distance yourself from Nagin, yet you hold the people of San Antonio responsible for Hardburglar. Double standard much? Also, who would know better how the people of San An felt about the Saints being here under those circumstances, someone who lives in San An, or someone who lives 600 miles away and hates the city cause of the actions of one? So in the midst of all this, your best bet was questioning my loyalty? I didn;t become a Spurs fan when I moved to San An, I have been a Spurs fan for 20 years, even when I lived in New Orleans. As a matter of fact, I still have a Spurs starters jacket I got in HIGH SCHOOL at Kennedy with the old spurs colors before they went to straight silver and black. But what the blue hell does that have to do with you not being a Suns fan when you lived in Phoenix? What does being a Spurs fan have to do with being a Saints fan? Are you kidding here? In case you may be unaware, New Orleans did not have a basketball team, and I was too young to know about the Jazz. I don't even remember when they left. But I actually saw David Robinson play in a game in the Lakefront Arena when I was a kid, becase a fan of his, and when he was drafted by the Spurs, I became a Spurs fan. That was 1987. That has no bearing on my loyalty to New Orleans, and it's sad your lack of relevant points had to lead you down that path. You're making this seem as if I want the Saints to leave New Orleans, which I have made extremely clear is not wha I want. Hell, I am the one pushing for them to get a new stadium so there is no doubt. But it's really unfortunate people are putting out mistruths about San An not being a viable market for a team, and my main goal is to dispel that non-truth in the hopes others don't feel the same way, and disregard the threat, shoot down a new stadium, and have the team leave. Lastly, while we are talking about media markets, New Orleans is ranked LOWER than San An, yet they support the Saints, and have for years, ya know how? Cause, well, let's see, there are more Saints fans than in just NEW ORLEANS in the area, just like there are more football fans then in just San Antonio. Take Austin for instance, about the same distance from NO that Baton Rouge is. And since the discussions about the team were between the mayors of Austin, San An, and Laredo, I guess you can count their markets together, just like you can count markets all along the gulf coast for the Saints. It's not a simple matter of "this city ranks..." cause that doesn't tell the whole story. Unless you want to leave it as San Antonio ranking much higer than New Orleans, even before Katrina, thus showing if New Orleans can do it, San An could do it right? Simply going by a ranking that is. Just move on.
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07-03-2007, 03:37 PM	#105
McKenzie Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 26	Just for the record, I was at all 3 Saints games and there were NOT plenty of seats open. If you want to talk about open seats in 05, take a good look at footage from Tiger Stadium. Sold out the first game. After that, it was a ghost town, especially the last game there. 2 of my best friends were there and called me from the game. It was really sad. No one knew what would happen in New Orleans, if the team could go back. Did people want them here...yes. But, trust me, Benson wasn't mobbed by citizens and forced to think about a relocation. Most of the talk was very early on when no one knew IF New Orleans could be saved. We didn't take advantage of a natural disaster and try to steal the team. We offered them a home if theirs wasn't able to be fixed.
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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Ok guys,this is getting far to political. Do we need to move it?

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Well said.

07-12-2007, 08:39 PM	#108
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Originally Posted by McKenzie No problem. I'm pretty frank on message boards. Expect me to be quite involved here. SA was very proud to host the Saints. We took very good care of a team and organization in utter chaos. That schedule for 13 road games really did a number on them. 8-8 in 04 to 3-13 in 05. It was heartbreaking, but I was there for the 3 we had, spent a ton of bucks on shirts and stuff, taught people how to tailgate, took people who had never been to a pro game, not even Dallas, turned them away from being Dallas fans, and actually made friends with a couple who I met out and about in the city. I recall a Spurs game that Aaron Brooks attended with his family. The camera guys found him and blasted him up on the jumbotron. The At&T Center exploded in applause for him. He looked so shocked. See, most people in SA knew nothing of booing the Saints or wearing paper bags. We hardly got any coverage of the Saints here, so people just didn't know them. Now they do and the Cowboys lost themselves a bunch of followers. You can buy more Saints stuff in SA than you can Texans. If you want Texans stuff, you need to order it online. It's scarse. I go with a group of friends on certain game days to a sports bar that has 4 big screens. They reserve one for the Saints. Always. They never get a smaller TV. And you should see all they people in Saints gear watching them....not the Cowboys. I can't wait to be in Houston on Nov 18th. I got my seats from a friend who is now a Texan cheerleader and she already knows that I'll wear my fleur de lis that day. I'll go to Dallas when the new place opens and the Saints play them. I want to see that monster, too. FYI..if you can get the Holiday Inn Reliant, ask for a room with the view. It's all lit up at night and just gorgeous. And, you walk out the back door into the parking lot. Head to the left of Reliant to the Orange and Blue lots and just start talking to people. They'll feed you, offer beer. They really know how to throw it down. They are also very classy and won't hassle you for being a Saint. p.s. What ever you do, DON'T wear your Reggie jersey. They are still pretty upset over that draft. They wanted VY, but would have taken Reggie over Williams. I missed your responses. Thanks for your input in this thread. My sis works for ABC News in Houston. I may wander down for the game. She offered me SB tickets one year, but I would've had to miss a 3 week gig offshore. SBs are nice, but money is better. heh. I wouldn't advise any La plates in TX these days. We aren't welcome. My sis suggested that I spread some mud on my plate, and damned if I wasn't pulled over for no reason during the wee hours. At least the trooper was polite, and sent us on our way. My sis lives in Sugarland, so I'm versed on the route to Reliant from there.
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07-15-2007, 10:58 AM	#109
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Originally Posted by McKenzie Just for the record, I was at all 3 Saints games and there were NOT plenty of seats open. If you want to talk about open seats in 05, take a good look at footage from Tiger Stadium. Sold out the first game. After that, it was a ghost town, especially the last game there. 2 of my best friends were there and called me from the game. It was really sad. No one knew what would happen in New Orleans, if the team could go back. Did people want them here...yes. But, trust me, Benson wasn't mobbed by citizens and forced to think about a relocation. Most of the talk was very early on when no one knew IF New Orleans could be saved. We didn't take advantage of a natural disaster and try to steal the team. We offered them a home if theirs wasn't able to be fixed. 1) A lot of the fans couldn't even make the games in Baton Rouge due to the hurricanes. 2) The city of Baton Rouge treated the NFL and the Saints like the games were amateur ping pong matches. They refused to use the typical plans that they practice for College Football games. I didn't even want to attend the other games at Tiger Stadium after the way we were treated during the first game. Not to mention the arrogant-ass Tiger fans that bought tickets to mock the Saints the entire time. That city left a bad taste in my mouth. It's pathetic, but true. The State Capital of Louisiana isn't a Saints fan. That's why they're the New Orleans Saints, guys. It's the only city that can truely love this team.
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