New Stadium Resolution.....

saintswhodi · 06-24-2007, 06:16 PM

The dome does fall short of other NFL stadiums, even after the renovations. The main problem is suites. That's why the dome is no longer really a viable option as far as revenues go. Owners make the lion's share of their money from suites, and the dome just doesn't have enough, and there isn't room to add them, thus the need for a new stadium. I agree with building a new stadium, I don't agree with it being in New Orleans East though. There has to be a better option.

blacksaint · 06-24-2007, 06:54 PM

It's so amazing how the DOME went from being the state of the art stadium all other teams admired to being a dinosaur. I saw a picture somewhere, can't remember where, but it was a picture of a retractable roof stadium along the river, it had a hugh area for tailgating, a park area, lots of parking space, it was a thing of beauty. I'm hoping that that's the way the powers that be are leaning toward, I think the area the stadium was built was at the end of the last phase of the Convention Center, man the sky view of that stadium on the river was unbelievable. I've been trying to find that damn picture and can't remember for the life of me where I saw it, well I'll just keep looking.

poydras · 06-24-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

It's so amazing how the DOME went from being the state of the art stadium all other teams admired to being a dinosaur. I saw a picture somewhere, can't remember where, but it was a picture of a retractable roof stadium along the river, it had a hugh area for tailgating, a park area, lots of parking space, it was a thing of beauty. I'm hoping that that's the way the powers that be are leaning toward, I think the area the stadium was built was at the end of the last phase of the Convention Center, man the sky view of that stadium on the river was unbelievable. I've been trying to find that damn picture and can't remember for the life of me where I saw it, well I'll just keep looking.

At one time it was posted on the Saints own web site but I think those plans got thrown away after Katrina. I believe they wanted to put that one in the footprint of the Iberville Projects though. Nagin vetoed that idea because of the people that have "lived there for generations".

AssGrinch · 06-24-2007, 07:43 PM

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/saintsmain.jpg
I think this is what you were looking for.

Nemesis · 06-24-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

The dome does fall short of other NFL stadiums, even after the renovations. The main problem is suites. That's why the dome is no longer really a viable option as far as revenues go. Owners make the lion's share of their money from suites, and the dome just doesn't have enough, and there isn't room to add them, thus the need for a new stadium. I agree with building a new stadium, I don't agree with it being in New Orleans East though. There has to be a better option.

When we build a new dome, it will fall short of others yet again. I don't see anyone taking about Houston or Det's stadiums anymore. It's all Phoenix and Dallas
We can add French Quarter style balconies, and make lots of improvements to bring the Dome back to glory. Some 700 mil is a lot of money for a rebuilding state to spend on a dome. Benson would have to kick in big time, before I'd gleefully support a new dome. Not that my opinion matters... My platform is more sentimental, but I'll give it a run.

The pre-Katrina Saints were one of the most profitable franchises in the league. I recall our former Commish expressing concerns about Benson's annual ransom/payment, or whatever. I'm sure Benson is doing just swell these days, with around 130 suites sold out and a waiting list rumored to be over 25k. I don't think additional suites are needed, considering our region's tenuous economy. Even Gillette only has 80 suites. I don't hear a peep out of Kraft about the lack of revenue in NE.

We aren't Dallas or Atl, either. Those business climates clearly trump ours. Our tourism is down by 1/2, and the oil biz isn't the most stable. People are laying down roots elsewhere, as we fail to get a handle on our education system and crime. Homes are becoming hard sells. I'm not sure how much more Joe six pack can absorb by paying higher ticket prices, and other fees that new domes always bring. A couple 5-11 seasons can quickly change demand for the Saints, while people are still struggling to recover from the storm. Some would find other priorities.

blacksaint · 06-24-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by AssGrinch

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/saintsmain.jpg
I think this is what you were looking for.

I think that's the stadium, but the picture showed the overhead view of the entire riverfront area.

Nemesis · 06-24-2007, 08:43 PM

I keep thinking I saw or heard one was proposed with a retractable roof. I like the open end on that one, but a lot of people say they prefer a dome. Some can't drink right in the heat.

saintswhodi · 06-24-2007, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Nemesis

When we build a new dome, it will fall short of others yet again. I don't see anyone taking about Houston or Det's stadiums anymore. It's all Phoenix and Dallas
We can add French Quarter style balconies, and make lots of improvements to bring the Dome back to glory. Some 700 mil is a lot of money for a rebuilding state to spend on a dome. Benson would have to kick in big time, before I'd gleefully support a new dome. Not that my opinion matters... My platform is more sentimental, but I'll give it a run.

The pre-Katrina Saints were one of the most profitable franchises in the league. I recall our former Commish expressing concerns about Benson's annual ransom/payment, or whatever. I'm sure Benson is doing just swell these days, with around 130 suites sold out and a waiting list rumored to be over 25k. I don't think additional suites are needed, considering our region's tenuous economy. Even Gillette only has 80 suites. I don't hear a peep out of Kraft about the lack of revenue in NE.

We aren't Dallas or Atl, either. Those business climates clearly trump ours. Our tourism is down by 1/2, and the oil biz isn't the most stable. People are laying down roots elsewhere, as we fail to get a handle on our education system and crime. Homes are becoming hard sells. I'm not sure how much more Joe six pack can absorb by paying higher ticket prices, and other fees that new domes always bring. A couple 5-11 seasons can quickly change demand for the Saints, while people are still struggling to recover from the storm. Some would find other priorities.

I don't agree with the first paragraph. Renovation isn't good enough. It seems pretty clear we aren't getting a Superbowl again til we get another stadium. Dallas, or Arlington, is already lined up for one and their stadium isn't even finished. I think we can use the revenue of Superbowls returning to the city.

Also, no one talks about Houston or Detroit's stadiums cause what's there left to say? They have new stadiums, with adequate suites. Reliant has 187. The dome has about 137. That's 50 suites. So let's say suites gor for $5,000 a piece on average per game. $5,000 times 50 is $250,000 per game. Times 8 games that's 2 millions dollars in revenue per year the Saints don't have. Not counting pre-season or any dollars people who can afford $5000 suites will spend in the dome. And that's a conservative estimate. A 12 person suite at Ford Field in Detroit is $5800, 20 person $7800. Ford Field only has 140 suites, but I am sure they can charge more due to their newness, and all the other amenities present at the stadium. New stadium in Dallas? 200 suites. You can do your own math on what Jerry Jones will charge to see his Cowboys in a suite, and the additional revenue he will be getting. Oh, Phoenix gets the Superbowl in 2008 and Detroit got it 4 years after opening their stadium. Reliant got one pretty quick as well.

There's plenty of economic reasons for the area to invest in a new stadium, paramount is retaining the Saints. Tom Benson has made it clear a renovation is not enough, so in 2010 we will learn how bad fans want to keep the team here for the long haul. Despite Benson's revenue in any year, I agree with the need for a new stadium. He's an owner, and a lot of other owners are getting are have gotten new stadiums, and Superbowls came with it. I'm on board.

Nemesis · 06-24-2007, 09:23 PM

Do you think it's possible to sell 50 more suites in this climate, as a Houston sized city can? 70 more,like Dallas? This was my main point. I'll agree that it seems the league is awarding SB to shiny new stadiums, but NO is already one of 4 favored sites, and I think renovations should be given a shot. I believe we would still bag SBs.

blacksaint · 06-24-2007, 10:27 PM

I think the New Orleans economy will be solid by the time a new stadium is built, and whatever the number of suites they have will sell like a bowl of gumbo at Jazz Fest.

06-24-2007, 06:54 PM	#32
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	It's so amazing how the DOME went from being the state of the art stadium all other teams admired to being a dinosaur. I saw a picture somewhere, can't remember where, but it was a picture of a retractable roof stadium along the river, it had a hugh area for tailgating, a park area, lots of parking space, it was a thing of beauty. I'm hoping that that's the way the powers that be are leaning toward, I think the area the stadium was built was at the end of the last phase of the Convention Center, man the sky view of that stadium on the river was unbelievable. I've been trying to find that damn picture and can't remember for the life of me where I saw it, well I'll just keep looking.
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06-24-2007, 07:00 PM	#33
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Originally Posted by blacksaint It's so amazing how the DOME went from being the state of the art stadium all other teams admired to being a dinosaur. I saw a picture somewhere, can't remember where, but it was a picture of a retractable roof stadium along the river, it had a hugh area for tailgating, a park area, lots of parking space, it was a thing of beauty. I'm hoping that that's the way the powers that be are leaning toward, I think the area the stadium was built was at the end of the last phase of the Convention Center, man the sky view of that stadium on the river was unbelievable. I've been trying to find that damn picture and can't remember for the life of me where I saw it, well I'll just keep looking. At one time it was posted on the Saints own web site but I think those plans got thrown away after Katrina. I believe they wanted to put that one in the footprint of the Iberville Projects though. Nagin vetoed that idea because of the people that have "lived there for generations".

06-24-2007, 08:20 PM	#35
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Originally Posted by saintswhodi The dome does fall short of other NFL stadiums, even after the renovations. The main problem is suites. That's why the dome is no longer really a viable option as far as revenues go. Owners make the lion's share of their money from suites, and the dome just doesn't have enough, and there isn't room to add them, thus the need for a new stadium. I agree with building a new stadium, I don't agree with it being in New Orleans East though. There has to be a better option. When we build a new dome, it will fall short of others yet again. I don't see anyone taking about Houston or Det's stadiums anymore. It's all Phoenix and Dallas We can add French Quarter style balconies, and make lots of improvements to bring the Dome back to glory. Some 700 mil is a lot of money for a rebuilding state to spend on a dome. Benson would have to kick in big time, before I'd gleefully support a new dome. Not that my opinion matters... My platform is more sentimental, but I'll give it a run. The pre-Katrina Saints were one of the most profitable franchises in the league. I recall our former Commish expressing concerns about Benson's annual ransom/payment, or whatever. I'm sure Benson is doing just swell these days, with around 130 suites sold out and a waiting list rumored to be over 25k. I don't think additional suites are needed, considering our region's tenuous economy. Even Gillette only has 80 suites. I don't hear a peep out of Kraft about the lack of revenue in NE. We aren't Dallas or Atl, either. Those business climates clearly trump ours. Our tourism is down by 1/2, and the oil biz isn't the most stable. People are laying down roots elsewhere, as we fail to get a handle on our education system and crime. Homes are becoming hard sells. I'm not sure how much more Joe six pack can absorb by paying higher ticket prices, and other fees that new domes always bring. A couple 5-11 seasons can quickly change demand for the Saints, while people are still struggling to recover from the storm. Some would find other priorities.

06-24-2007, 08:31 PM	#36
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Originally Posted by AssGrinch http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/saintsmain.jpg I think this is what you were looking for. I think that's the stadium, but the picture showed the overhead view of the entire riverfront area.

06-24-2007, 09:11 PM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Nemesis When we build a new dome, it will fall short of others yet again. I don't see anyone taking about Houston or Det's stadiums anymore. It's all Phoenix and Dallas We can add French Quarter style balconies, and make lots of improvements to bring the Dome back to glory. Some 700 mil is a lot of money for a rebuilding state to spend on a dome. Benson would have to kick in big time, before I'd gleefully support a new dome. Not that my opinion matters... My platform is more sentimental, but I'll give it a run. The pre-Katrina Saints were one of the most profitable franchises in the league. I recall our former Commish expressing concerns about Benson's annual ransom/payment, or whatever. I'm sure Benson is doing just swell these days, with around 130 suites sold out and a waiting list rumored to be over 25k. I don't think additional suites are needed, considering our region's tenuous economy. Even Gillette only has 80 suites. I don't hear a peep out of Kraft about the lack of revenue in NE. We aren't Dallas or Atl, either. Those business climates clearly trump ours. Our tourism is down by 1/2, and the oil biz isn't the most stable. People are laying down roots elsewhere, as we fail to get a handle on our education system and crime. Homes are becoming hard sells. I'm not sure how much more Joe six pack can absorb by paying higher ticket prices, and other fees that new domes always bring. A couple 5-11 seasons can quickly change demand for the Saints, while people are still struggling to recover from the storm. Some would find other priorities. I don't agree with the first paragraph. Renovation isn't good enough. It seems pretty clear we aren't getting a Superbowl again til we get another stadium. Dallas, or Arlington, is already lined up for one and their stadium isn't even finished. I think we can use the revenue of Superbowls returning to the city. Also, no one talks about Houston or Detroit's stadiums cause what's there left to say? They have new stadiums, with adequate suites. Reliant has 187. The dome has about 137. That's 50 suites. So let's say suites gor for $5,000 a piece on average per game. $5,000 times 50 is $250,000 per game. Times 8 games that's 2 millions dollars in revenue per year the Saints don't have. Not counting pre-season or any dollars people who can afford $5000 suites will spend in the dome. And that's a conservative estimate. A 12 person suite at Ford Field in Detroit is $5800, 20 person $7800. Ford Field only has 140 suites, but I am sure they can charge more due to their newness, and all the other amenities present at the stadium. New stadium in Dallas? 200 suites. You can do your own math on what Jerry Jones will charge to see his Cowboys in a suite, and the additional revenue he will be getting. Oh, Phoenix gets the Superbowl in 2008 and Detroit got it 4 years after opening their stadium. Reliant got one pretty quick as well. There's plenty of economic reasons for the area to invest in a new stadium, paramount is retaining the Saints. Tom Benson has made it clear a renovation is not enough, so in 2010 we will learn how bad fans want to keep the team here for the long haul. Despite Benson's revenue in any year, I agree with the need for a new stadium. He's an owner, and a lot of other owners are getting are have gotten new stadiums, and Superbowls came with it. I'm on board.

06-24-2007, 06:16 PM	#31
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The dome does fall short of other NFL stadiums, even after the renovations. The main problem is suites. That's why the dome is no longer really a viable option as far as revenues go. Owners make the lion's share of their money from suites, and the dome just doesn't have enough, and there isn't room to add them, thus the need for a new stadium. I agree with building a new stadium, I don't agree with it being in New Orleans East though. There has to be a better option.

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06-24-2007, 07:43 PM	#34
AssGrinch Registered Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 34	http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/saintsmain.jpg I think this is what you were looking for.

06-24-2007, 08:43 PM	#37
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	I keep thinking I saw or heard one was proposed with a retractable roof. I like the open end on that one, but a lot of people say they prefer a dome. Some can't drink right in the heat.

06-24-2007, 09:23 PM	#39
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Do you think it's possible to sell 50 more suites in this climate, as a Houston sized city can? 70 more,like Dallas? This was my main point. I'll agree that it seems the league is awarding SB to shiny new stadiums, but NO is already one of 4 favored sites, and I think renovations should be given a shot. I believe we would still bag SBs.
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06-24-2007, 10:27 PM	#40
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	I think the New Orleans economy will be solid by the time a new stadium is built, and whatever the number of suites they have will sell like a bowl of gumbo at Jazz Fest.