Black names

foreverfan · 01-12-2010, 11:06 AM

Origins of Levon....

Here's a real obscure reference that I have been unable to decipher. The song "Levon" from Elton John's Madman Across the Water album has the following lyrics:

He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas Day,
When the New York Times said God is dead,
And the war's begun
Alvin Tostig has a son today.

OK, who the hell is Alvin Tostig? My best guess is that he is some British icon of stability and normality, or maybe some member of Parliament. Please enlighten this poor uneducated colonist.

— Matthew Mitchell

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You're making things waaaaaay too tough on yourself. Your answer is within the song. Alvin Tostig is, in fact, Levon's father. To put it another way, Levon is the son that Alvin Tostig had that day. The next line, which you didn't quote, is, "And he shall be Levon." Put together, it says, "Alvin Tostig has a son today, and he shall be Levon." (Which, to extend it to the rest of the song, would make Alvin Tostig "Jesus'" grandfather.)

But at The Straight Dope we can't just spend one lousy paragraph to answer a question. So I kept digging. Or, more precisely, I contacted a member of the Teeming Millions who I knew to be a huge Elton John fan. He's a peaceful, honest type of guy and led me to some background information on the song.

According to Gus Dudgeon, who produced Madman Across the Water and wrote an essay containing this information to accompany the remastered version, the name "Levon" was inspired by Levon Helm, drummer, lead singer, and founder of The Band, a group from the 60s and 70s. The Band was apparently Elton John's and Bernie Taupin's favorite group in those days. (Taupin is the guy who writes or co-writes a lot of Elton John's songs and who wrote the lyrics for "Levon.")

Tracing the name "Alvin Tostig" is fairly straightforward, but with a bit of a twist. Taupin has said the name was fictitious. But Taupin was from Wessex and there was a historical "Tostig," who was the Earl of Wessex back in the 1040s. So perhaps Taupin pulled the name out of history without realizing it.

Anyway, there's your answer plus a bit more. Not quite as interesting as a pompatus of love, but what is?

— David

Saint_LB · 01-13-2010, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Origins of Levon....

Here's a real obscure reference that I have been unable to decipher. The song "Levon" from Elton John's Madman Across the Water album has the following lyrics:

He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas Day,
When the New York Times said God is dead,
And the war's begun
Alvin Tostig has a son today.

OK, who the hell is Alvin Tostig? My best guess is that he is some British icon of stability and normality, or maybe some member of Parliament. Please enlighten this poor uneducated colonist.

— Matthew Mitchell

--------------

You're making things waaaaaay too tough on yourself. Your answer is within the song. Alvin Tostig is, in fact, Levon's father. To put it another way, Levon is the son that Alvin Tostig had that day. The next line, which you didn't quote, is, "And he shall be Levon." Put together, it says, "Alvin Tostig has a son today, and he shall be Levon." (Which, to extend it to the rest of the song, would make Alvin Tostig "Jesus'" grandfather.)

But at The Straight Dope we can't just spend one lousy paragraph to answer a question. So I kept digging. Or, more precisely, I contacted a member of the Teeming Millions who I knew to be a huge Elton John fan. He's a peaceful, honest type of guy and led me to some background information on the song.

According to Gus Dudgeon, who produced Madman Across the Water and wrote an essay containing this information to accompany the remastered version, the name "Levon" was inspired by Levon Helm, drummer, lead singer, and founder of The Band, a group from the 60s and 70s. The Band was apparently Elton John's and Bernie Taupin's favorite group in those days. (Taupin is the guy who writes or co-writes a lot of Elton John's songs and who wrote the lyrics for "Levon.")

Tracing the name "Alvin Tostig" is fairly straightforward, but with a bit of a twist. Taupin has said the name was fictitious. But Taupin was from Wessex and there was a historical "Tostig," who was the Earl of Wessex back in the 1040s. So perhaps Taupin pulled the name out of history without realizing it.

Anyway, there's your answer plus a bit more. Not quite as interesting as a pompatus of love, but what is?

— David

Wow...thanks for that. I asked the exact same question way back when...only I didn't have the name "Alvin Tostig" quite right.

One of my favorite all-time songs...and that live version doesn't really give it justice without the violins...so, here is the recorded version...enjoy.

YouTube- Elton John- Levon

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foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Black names Origins of Levon.... Here's a real obscure reference that I have been unable to decipher. The song "Levon" from Elton John's Madman Across the Water album has the following lyrics: He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas Day, When the New York Times said God is dead, And the war's begun Alvin Tostig has a son today. OK, who the hell is Alvin Tostig? My best guess is that he is some British icon of stability and normality, or maybe some member of Parliament. Please enlighten this poor uneducated colonist. — Matthew Mitchell -------------- You're making things waaaaaay too tough on yourself. Your answer is within the song. Alvin Tostig is, in fact, Levon's father. To put it another way, Levon is the son that Alvin Tostig had that day. The next line, which you didn't quote, is, "And he shall be Levon." Put together, it says, "Alvin Tostig has a son today, and he shall be Levon." (Which, to extend it to the rest of the song, would make Alvin Tostig "Jesus'" grandfather.) But at The Straight Dope we can't just spend one lousy paragraph to answer a question. So I kept digging. Or, more precisely, I contacted a member of the Teeming Millions who I knew to be a huge Elton John fan. He's a peaceful, honest type of guy and led me to some background information on the song. According to Gus Dudgeon, who produced Madman Across the Water and wrote an essay containing this information to accompany the remastered version, the name "Levon" was inspired by Levon Helm, drummer, lead singer, and founder of The Band, a group from the 60s and 70s. The Band was apparently Elton John's and Bernie Taupin's favorite group in those days. (Taupin is the guy who writes or co-writes a lot of Elton John's songs and who wrote the lyrics for "Levon.") Tracing the name "Alvin Tostig" is fairly straightforward, but with a bit of a twist. Taupin has said the name was fictitious. But Taupin was from Wessex and there was a historical "Tostig," who was the Earl of Wessex back in the 1040s. So perhaps Taupin pulled the name out of history without realizing it. Anyway, there's your answer plus a bit more. Not quite as interesting as a pompatus of love, but what is? — David
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