i can tell you being white how i look at white people on welfare or that are poor. i am disgusted by them and want nothing to do with them.

bayouking i have already offered my house by calling the red cross. i do not mind helping. they need it and i know that. but all i said is this is not the governments fault but the fault of the people themselves. bayouking i will never ever be poor. i will work two or three jobs if i have to. but poor i will never be. the military pays very well. people can always join there. with all the beneifts you get trust me my wife last year before she got out was bringing in 3000 per month. thats net. thats pretty good. and that is enlisted. my wife put herself through college. she grew up raised by only her mother because her father did nothging for them. they lived on the outskirts of brownsville brooklyn. bad neighborhood. her mother worked hard and so does my wife. she is going to school a second time right now for nursing.

What is the definition of a snob?

touche

Your views I hate but your actions is too commendable to believe. I don't know to dislike you are want to shake your hand. Keep on helping but shhh on your beliefs...

thats cool i will see you around the board bayou

"...but the fact that they are poor is their choice. not mine not yours but theirs" -are you serious??? I can't believe you can live with yourself in this country and make a statement like that. We are a capitalist society. Do you know what that means??? Not everyone can be rich... you have your rich, middle class and your poor its a part of our society. spkb25 you really are ignorant of Louisiana and society... take some economic courses and learn about your government.

i am in an economic class right now just started. euphoria we could argue all day and night. in the end we will be no closer to agreeing. you have your opinion and i disagree with you. thats it. i am not going to argue it anymore. we agree to disagree. if your ok with that i still like some of your other post. take care

And if every American reached the upper class scale , we would bring in a lower class labor scale to work .

The Chineese on the railroad .
The Mexicans in the field .

So that this debate could go on and on .........

This is the End- The Doors
 

It is quite amazing for me to read all of these posts and see the generalizations that are being thrown around. Everyone is blaming someone. The government, the people of the city, the mayor.
The only thing that gives me solace in times like these is that in a couple of thousand of years from now once a comet has crashed into the earth and ended this amusing little experiment called humanity there will be no sign that we ever existed.
Of all the creations of nature only humans destroy the planet and kill each other in anger and hate the way we do.
I hope all of you read this and understand that the planet can only be pushed by humans so far before it starts fighting back.

Oh, and by the way, Go Saints! Beat the crap out of the Panthers!

RE: This is the End- The Doors
 

in a thousand years will have colonies of humans on other planets.

RE: This is the End- The Doors
 

Why do we need to? Humans have already colonized Uranius Euphoria.

What is to debate??? there is always going to be poor/lower income people in a capitalist society... doesn't make them less of an American its just a product of our American society and they need help. These people had homes and made an honest living (most) and were overcomed by a levee break.

Crazy
 

wassup board. Been a long time since I posted. been here lurking like two years since my wife left. Still live in Atlanta and right now due to the storm I do not know the whereabouts of anyone in my family, which up until Katrina resided mainly in the 9th, 7th, 8th wards and also uptown. We had a church on Gibson street if anybody out their knows that area then u know about rev. Dabon at faith temple. But really I came out of hiding because I just read all four pages of your post and just felt compelled, why I don't know because I already have learned in my life that ignorant people refuse to except new ideas so they remain ignorant. Notice I said ignorant and not stupid. There exist some very intelligent people who are ignorant conversely a person can be illiterate and not ignorant and just because a person is an "expert" in one area dosen't mean they can't be ignorant in another. In fact most expert are ignorant in many broad areas because they have spent the majority of their learning in their expertise causing them to be ignorant in most other areas. Now I say all this in response to you Spbk or whatever. You post that you are married to a black woman and your are not a racist. Man let me help you. You are a racist. I am black and I am a racist. That is a survival tatic. If the white man wasn't racist there would not be an America much less a New Orleans. See then there wouldn't have been slavery and we all have to except that without the contributions of the millions of slaves and all that free labor the agricultural economic boom of early america which kicked off this nations greatness and created the superpower we live in today would not have happened. Then the black man tamed the west built the railroads and won all your wars. All thanks to racism and a sadistic system which intentionally created what you see in those"Black people" who in your mind are so different than your whitewashed wife. Oh quick reality your wife aint far removed from the looters you see on TV. Let me explain this to you although you probably won't have the balls to do a basic internet check to see if I'm telling the truth. Hell you probably won't have the nuts to ask you Black wife about it but at least it will be in your heard and one day you might be brave enough to explore this knowledge I'm going to give you. When you explore knowledge you kill ignorance...Try it. But here is your dose. Ask you wife or your one black friend about Willie Lynch and his method to create the 300 year slave. look a little deeper and read the Willie Lynch lettter which describes in detail how to break a horse and how to make a slave and generations of slave that would serve master for a minimum of 300 years. How to create a man who is strong enough to snap your neck with one hand but so mentally weak he rather hurt himself than attack his captors. How to make a woman who will barter with anything to protect that mentally weak man who is her son (you got to kill her man right in front of her and it has to be nasty like tying him to four horses and sending them in four different directions while the misses whatches) That women is now destined to train her daughter to barter for survival. Meaning that if need be to attain some security she will now sleep with and nurture the same man that tourtured her and her people. Look at your wife now and realize I'm telling you her story. I mean if she is a black woman like you say. She through the generations has learned to be a master barterer. The slave woman knew to survive she had to submit to master. Sleep with master. Withstand every disgusting act master would put her through and learn to like it. Wake up dude. I'm a racist, so are you. unfortunately those looters and your wife aren't racist. Racist just means your actions are predicated on the survival of your race. When you are in a knew country surrounded by hostile native and trying to forge a knew nation this means creating slaves. When you are a comfortable citizen of the greatest world superpower but living within gun shot of the sons and daughters of those former slaves it means keeping them clam least they should explode and for some odd reason take revenge for four hundred years of torture (the real holicaust....four years don't top four hundred)...Anyway maybe you will look up old willie lynch. He's right at your fingertips thanks to the World wide web. Hey man keep on posting baby your one of the most entertaining posters on the boards. Geaux Saints......

God bless the people of New Orleans I'm prayng for your family and mines.

I'm going back to lurking now.
See ya

RE: Crazy
 

SPK are you saying that ONLY black people remained in NO instead of getting out? If so, let me be the the first one to make it clear to you. THERE WERE MANY WHITES THAT REMAINED THERE AS WELL! JUST because the media only show blacks suffering doesn't mean they were the only ones. If you look closer there are whites that live in poverty too. How do you think they were able to get out? HERE'S a clue since it clear you truly do not have one: THEY (poor WHITES) remained. Being married to a black woman means nothing more than just that. That you are married to a black woman and again, you are a racist because if you were not you would have not stated ONLY BLACKS remain and disreguarded the warnings. Not all whites are educated, just as not all blacks are uneducated. There are blacks man and women that not only capable of working and please sit down because this may blow you mind, but THERE ARE BLACKS THAT GO TO COLLEGE AND BLACKS THAT WORK!!! I am a BLACK family man that provide very well for my family. My wife(a black woman) work full time, go to college(ULM) and is a wonderful mother to our children. So don't beleive you married the ONLY good black women. Open you eyes because you can't always go by what the media shows. Its's only part of the story.

How can you make remarks like that and say I am not a racist?

nowwhere did Ihear that Gov. Blanco didn't chose to use her resources because funds were to low to strengthen the levee. If that was the case they should've borrowed money for the levee instead for a team that will know longer exist here anymore (new Orleans Saints0

How about :

My original words :

From the President :

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...31144709990009

well i appreciate all of your comments and i will look up willie lynch for you. i am never afraid to learn something whether i agree with it or not. nice comment on calling my wife white washed. because she refuses to be a low life that makes her white washed.exactly the division i was looking to find from someone on here. also i commented on here that if you talk to a poor black person and a poor white person you will find the mentality to be the same. they are victims. they live their life in that same way. as usual noone reads past what they want to hear. i said that they were not like that because they were black but instead were like that because they were poor. this is not a race issue meaning that no race is predetermined to act a certain way. they act that way because of what they are taught by who is around them. it is a race issue when you consider the large portion of black people in this country who are still poor. if you look at it proportionally in the races they need help. you can not empower someone or help them by giving to them and asking for nothing in return. that creates in itself lazieness and a feeling of entitlement. you empower people by teaching them that they can earn things in life through hard work. all of us were children and most of us did not for most of our childhoods appreciate what our parents went through to provide what they did for us. we expected it and thought it was their duty. generally you appreciate it after you have to do it yourself. once again people did not read on here that i said not that it was only black people stranded in new orleans. i said mainly. that does not include all. nothing is black and white in life. everything is a gray. there is no absolute. some black people in this country are becoming a permanent under class. they are in a slave state. they are controlled whether they know it or not. a lot of thier so called leaders are helping them to stay exactly where they are. whether it be to line their own pockets or to gather votes. i will not aid that. nola swammi if you know that to be true about yourself then why would you have to tell me because it is obvious you are not who i am speaking about. saint stoney i disagree that we are all racist. you would be better off saying that we are all prejudice. that would be a fair and true statement. you may enjoy that you are a racist but i know i am not. if you feel that way or you do trust me when i tell you my life will not at all change. you will not hurt my feelings. i will move on with my life and enjoy. we can disagree and you can think how you want. without more then one opinion, life would get pretty boring. but i never said nor do i at all believe that all black people are uneducated and lazy. that is ridculous and i would never think that. and saintstoney i have outside of my wife one true friend in life. so in all honesty i have no black friends. i ahve a lot of people i know and hang out with but only one true friend.

nola swammi if you can find where i said that only black people remained in new orleans please post it to me . i know i never said that well unless mainly means the same as all.

True, MAINLY does not mean the same as ALL. However, when you place blame on one race and not another, and I quote "YOU KNOW AS USUAL MAINLY BLACK PEOPLE WHO LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND THEN RUN AROUND BLAMING MOMMY AND DADDY FOR NOT DOING IT FOR THEM." is clear you are talking about only ONE race (BLACKS). Or did I miss the negative and racial comment you made about the WHITE race? No one knows the real reason or excuse for those that remained in NO. However, ONE thing IS clear, BOTH BLACKS and WHITES as well as others are in need of help. Therefore, I will continue to pray for ALL victims (BLACK and WHITE) and provide help by donating money to ALL(not just blacks) Because ONLY God can judge. And it's clear that it is not me nor you.

you are absolutly right swammi. and i also have no problem taking in anyone regardless of race. none at all. i respect your wife very much. me and my wife dont have any children so for your wife to be able to balance everything makes her very wonderful. you are a very lucky man. i am almost jealous of you. not many woman can do that. my mother was a stay at home mom. she had 9 children. only my pops worked. but my mom was on her knees everyday cleaning oour kitchen and house. crazy that i remember that. swammi i understand your anger towards me but man it isnt that i think or want black people to be kept in the situation they are. i want the exact opposite. of course i am not talking about all or most black people. i hope you can understand thast. it is a certain portion of your race. i am not an idiot nor am i dumb to the truth. the fact is that most black people are earning a living just like i am. the same as white people. i know that swammi. there isnt probably a man i am more impresssed by then martin luther king. he impresses so much. not for what he accomplished which is greeat but his intelligense was so impresssive. if you havent read his letter from birmingham jail you should. it is very inspiring. the man should be an inspiration to us all. him and frederick douglas are two people i want to know a lot more about. theese are great men. they are better then i think i could ever be. they are men that should be very celebrated by all of us. just like thomas jefferson and james madison. they are ggreat men. if my statements earlier were dumb or without explanation i apologize. i do not and would never ever think of grouping black people as a whole. that would make me a complete idiot. i do not think this is a problem facing only black people. of course not swammi. but to lie about the truth would make me no better then the ones that rob some black people of everything. there is website for in my opinion a very good org trying to help young black youth and it is www.bondinfo.org. i hope you undertsand who i am a little better now

bashing will not be tolerated

Those officials from the Mayor up were elected by the people to represent and take care of the people and they failed. They should be held responsible...

everyone is suppose to take care of themselves. i understand we disagree and i can excpet that. i wont post on here again to argue my view. hey frankeefrank i am absolutely impressed by what i can only call pure genius. you probably belive you invented the question mark. the kind of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. you are a man of few words but when you told me to leave i understood who you were. so there should be only one voice in this country and it should frankeefrank. freedom of speech exists only if you agree with frankeefrank. if you don't like it leave. right. yep that is what the government is here for to run our entire lives. uhuh. exactly why thomas jefferson said the best government is the government that governs least. but hey they are suppose to take care of us and direct our entire lives. and still last time i checked frankeefrank THE GOVERNMENT SAID EVACUATE. but hey its their fault. you impress me frankeefrank. do you still accuse chestnuts of beng lazy.

There is no question that people misjudged or made a grave mistake at staying behind for whatever reason... not all these people were poor, some owned homes some owned business now they are left with NOTHING. I take some assume to just leave them on the side of the Interstate or leave them at the dome to all die.

The ones told to get to the dome or Civic Center once there were there the mayor didn't get help in there or security for them not the govenor but I guess the ones who listen and obeyed we should let them die to huh...

I don't know if this has been touched yet, but there was a proposal to build New Orleans elsewhere.

Elsewhere? Where do these people reccommend New Orleans be built? Its not like there's land that has not been discovered in Louisiana yet. Everything thats there is owned. You can't just build New Orleans over something thats already there.

New Orleans was a huge city BECAUSE of the area it was built in. Its a port city. You can not expect to "rebuild New Orleans" on some random strip of land. It will never be as successful as the port city. Besides, like I said, its not like there's unconquered territory in this state.

I just don't see their logic in this.

Thank you
 

hey man look it up for you not for me sp. I already know. Oh and whitewashed doesn't mean speaking well, writing well ormaking money. It means that a person trys to emerse himself in a cultural vacuum to seperate themselves from their own race in an attempt to assimilate the white race. But that's a little deep so forget it. I apologize for using the term to describe your wife because I really don't know her. For that matter I really don't know you and you might be one of those fun people who just like to throw out ideas and debate. For all I know you and your wife might be blacker than me. lol just clowning around feels good to have a little fun with all this tradgedy going on. Bottom line it rains on the juast and the unjust. Regardless of race. Money helps but doesn't heal. And if we are going to have a New Orleans in the future we all got to pull together and make it happen.

RE: Thank you
 

SPKB
We are the government.
Each and every one of us.
To me that means we all have control of the Federal Gov.
To me that means I can demand MY government to help.
And when I feel they didn't respond in a "suitable manner"
I can choose to "call them out" on it.
Sorry, I didn't know Everyone has access to television and internet where you live...
If you can tell me every single soul in the New Orleans area was warned to evacuate then i will say i am wrong.


And do us all a favor,
Don't quote a Canadian in your argument against Federal Government.

RE: Thank you
 

They want to raise the land level .

The old San Francisco scenario - Rumor has it , that certain areas were raised and rebuilt on .

Take a Parish with 99% devastation , flat pack the buildings and debris add a layer or 2 of crusher base and top it off with some regular soil . 20 feet higher in little or no time .

RE: Thank you
 

How about build a little city again, but spend the majority of the money on the former citizens of New Orleans. Give them money to rebuild and move on. Even if they do rebuild the city, its going to take an extremely long time. These people need somewhere to stay in the meantime and, in fact, are probably just as well off living in a different location.

Thats my opinion anyways. Give the money to the people so they can move on. Besides, no matter how hard they try, they'll never beable to rebuild "N'AWLINS."

RE: Thank you
 

hey euphoria i am 100% for helping those people. my only argument the whole time was aginst the idea that it was the governments fault. i dont want us to debate that again. just saying that was my only point. you are right we need to help them. i am with you.

hey saintstoney apology excepted and my wife deosnt try to do that. she has locks and is always on websites bloggin with other women about locks and fashion and on and on. to be honest i am so glad she has locks because i dont want to have to pay those damn hair styling bills.

Random Thoughts
 

Many of us, politicians included, knew when New Orleans took a hit it was gonna be bad.

1. I don't have a big beef with Louisiana and local governments and the perceived lack of preperation. I think back on the last twenty or so years of the state's economy. Poor. If, ten years ago, Lousiana officials chose to sink billions into physical improvements for hurricane protection, many would scream bloody murder. New Orleans and state money was thin. Yes, the city has unique flooding and hurricane concerns. Hell, when three or more folks spit at the same time in the city you gotta pump it out.

2. Until you know she's failed you in a bad way, take it easy on your Governor - she can't repair a levee.

3. Don't pound your mayor for headin' to Baton Rouge in the early days - he could probably do a better job where the phones worked.

4. Our federal government may be a different story. Hopefully we'll learn later why the response was seemingly lacking. Perhaps it takes specific planning to crank up the big machine and do it right. America has never been faced with anything like this. Yes, we expect 'em to be on top of everything and provide at the drop of a hat. Sometimes we're quick to judge. It'll be different next time. As much as I hate to say it - It's live and learn. It's a shame New Orleans is the guinea pig.

5. Given similiar challenges, you'd probably see the same looting in any other major US city.

6. I'd hate to think the lack of immediate response in New Orleans had anything to do with class or social standing.

7. It's really tough to protect in a planning ahead kinda way. Sometimes you know an intersection in your town needs a traffic light? It takes a crash or two to get it done.

8. I can sit here and say I'd never loot. I can also say never say never.

9. Something good will come out of this. Time and time again my trust in the Lord, and lack of it, at times, has proven so.

10. Some politician said he questions whether New Orleans should be rebuilt at all and whether it's worth it. I'd like to kick him square in the nut-sack (See #9).

11. When I see the New Orleans mayor speak on TV, I think he's just smoked a big bowl.

12. Warrick Dunn challenges all NFL players, except Saints, to contribute $5,000 to relief. Thanks Louisiana, for loaning him to Tallahassee for a few years. We love him.



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RE: Random Thoughts
 

1. I think everyone should have a HUGe beef with the local and State government. They said there was a plan if the levee ever broke. The Army Corps of Engeneers said there was suppose to have been and they were called in and couldn't find anyone or anything equipment ect in place to fix this... Nor was the mayor or govenor staged anything in another part of the state to prepare for anything lot even treated it like a tropical storm.

2. The Govenor treat the Saints situation just like she treated this... didn't want to build a new stadium and wanted to tax New Orleans to pay to keep the Saints yet the State/BR benefited from the Saints being in the state. She Didn't have a plan in case NO got dumped on... she didn't have anything staged in BR did nothing... Mayor throws his hand sup in the air and yells SOS... and runs to BR

4. The Govenor has to ask for Federal help... I am sure we'll see what the problems were and I feel they could have done things like sent the USNS even if it wasn't needed it could have came in behind the hurricane if nothing else as part of a drill... military could have been there from day one if called apon.

5. Granted Looting... survival... I did see cops let 3 guys go once they say that they were carring food and fluids out and not TV's.

6. I think the lack or delay was due to piss poor planning from the local and state government.

7. They said there was a plan in case the levee broke... ya know the big one is coming and you do nothing. Where was the plan... they outright lied there was NO PLAN.

8. Hey... if I had a family i'd do what I had to to survive.

9. I hope they decided to rebuild in a different location... it'll happen again maybe not our lifetime but... it will.

10. maybe they should consider moving it though... its below sea levee hello.

11. I agree its his fault to... he's got some blame in this telling people where to go only to have them stranded with no food and water at the convention center.

12. Dunn HELL YES... Dunn for President!!! Also you got to give props to Turley as well.

RE: Random Thoughts
 

...I am hearing a lot of the people who are else where now that they have no plans on ever going back. I think this is going to happen to the Saints. LA and La. getting expansion teams maybe...

RE: Random Thoughts
 

Hey guys! The main thing is here is that we want to help the people devastasted by this tragity. We are all fans and we are all good people right?

I have invited any family to my home in Idaho for the purpose of saving a life. Lets all focus on that.

The government was not to blame for the tragity. They are to blame for the poor response time.

It was not racial or ethical or anything else. It was a bad judgement call. It had nothing to do with race or color or social class.

In my opinion, the National, State or Local government would not have wished this on anyone.

Lets all get along and and look forward to the Saints going to the Superbowl this year!!!

RE: Random Thoughts
 

Spkb don't leave the site. You are an intelligent poster. Let's not let feelings get in the way. That goes for everyone! Emotions are running high right now. All of us are Americans and have darn good points. Lets not let our feelings get in the way of our Fanship!!!

RE: Random Thoughts
 

Fans of the San Antonio Saints.

RE: Random Thoughts
 

Come on now .

The Gypsy Saints , I like that name better .

Re: RE: Random Thoughts
 

At the same time, I've actually talked to a couple of people who want to move to the rebuilt New Orleans. Some have lived their before and moved away, some were evacuees, and some never lived there before.

RE: Re: RE: Random Thoughts
 

San Antonio sounds better than Baton Rouge Saints