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The offense looks boring as hell. Only time you see energy is on a trick play or when Hill comes in.

I love Brees and I truly appreciate all the things he has done for the team, state, and fans in general but he has brought this offense to a crawl. There is only so much you can do within 5-10 yard of the line of scrimmage.

I’m actually excited to see what SP can do if we open the offense up.

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I think past playoff experiences haunt them. Some how this stigma has to be washed away. I think it will take a new group

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I'm a Saints fan. I will always be a Saints fan. But when Brees retires, I am done watching the NFL. I will not sit around and watch Brady outlast Brees and taking his records.

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Yeah, but we were not playing Brady. And when defenses have all offseason to gameplan for a different QB, it's a whole other ballgame.

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Going to make one point here, because others have summed up most of the thoughts already.

Drew Brees has held this team back for 2 years (potentially 3). If I had to rate Drew as a QB when just looking at the last 2 years, he would be in the bottom 10 of the league.

Yes, replacing Drew when he was prime Drew will not be possible. However, Drew hasn’t played at elite levels in years. I actually believe that both Winston or Hill would be upgrades compared to the current Brees we see.

Going forward our cap situation is more of a concern than not having Drew.

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I didn’t see team chemistry and comradary that I’ve seen in years past.

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I think that was mainly due to COVID-19 restrictions. This was the best defense I’ve watched in a long time. All the years we beat on the defense and now the offense let us down.

That’s what hurts me the most about this season. This was honestly the first year I felt going in at the start that the offense was going to be an issue and it surely was.

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OFFENSIVE COACHES TOLD ME ON XM RADIO WHILE DRIVING MY NON EXISTENT 1954 FORD FAIRLANE 500 IN MY DON NOVELLO COSTUME!!!

19 - 0 BABY!!!!!

SIRIUSLY!!!! CONSIDERING MY AUDIENCE!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I had reservations about this defense. In the regular season they start sloppy and finish strong but lapses during the playoffs. This defense is the best the saints have fielded in the Payton/Brees era. Outside the points off turnovers they only gave up 9 points. Evans, Godwin, Gronk, and Brown were all held in check. That’s saying something.

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I guess we shall see once Brees calls it quits …

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I would like to see both get equal time under the same center, with the same offensive weapons, and the same playbook. Situational QB rotation this past season, based on down and distance, was a really, really bad idea. One I hope to never see again. If Winston is the superior passer, I hope he gets the starting pos’n. Same for Hill. It has to be an open, best man gets the job, competition. If CSP plays favorites, and isn’t objective in his evaluation, then it would not surprise me to see a player revolt.

Worst thing for this team to see would be exactly what you describe, the naming of Taysom as the starter bc -Coach nubs him, and the Saints go 1-4 over the first handful of games. If “Taysom were awful” and CSP stuck with him for an “entire season”, lol, that locker room would be VERY vocal in their displeasure with leadership. It’s a group of men known to be passionate, vocal, and unapologetic in their beliefs.

Bottom line, if CSP has already chosen to roll with Taysom, and it’s my belief he has..., then he would be wise to not have Winston on the roster at the same time. Me personally, I truly want to see Winston start four games in a Saints uni, we’ve seen Taysom start four.

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Or we draft one. If Sean P sees something (PMahommes) in this 2021 class, I hope he pulls the trigger.

We still don't know what Jameis can do in this offense & in a small sample size, Taysom is a fumbler. That's simply not gonna work.

Life after Brees will be interesting as it pertains to the QB position.

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Free agency in the QB world makes it "easier" to get a quality and quite possibly a Franchise QB

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If you think about it since 2006 we never worried about the QB position. Since Drew came to town the Saints have been a competitive team most seasons not to mention that game against the Colts. Actually we have been spoiled for all those years. From a time not so long ago I can remember hitching our wagon to the Joe QB's, Billy Joe Tolliver & Billy Joe Hobert not to mention Chrissy Everett, The Snake, The Cannon, Aaaron, Archie the list goes on. So if Drew decides to hang it up hopefully we won't be back on the QB Carousel.

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Rumor is Carolina isn't happy with Teddy. Bring him back!

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I'd like to see Rosen get one more shot with a good organization like the Saints.
He might be a good QB. He might stink. I'd like to find out.

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We all know Payton can't draft a QB but he knows talent when he sees it in the NFL.

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As usual, us fans have no idea what’s going on...

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Exactly. This is the guy fans are saying they want to trade. The one that played through injury every chance he could. Yet these guys are supposed to love and adore the “fans”? They hear that ****. Can’t wait to see what he does next year.

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I understand the logic of evaluating salaries, I do. But great goobly moobly, Kamara and Thomas have overly earned their salaries. And why aren’t ppl upset at Taysom’s contract? He is equally as expensive as Thomas. Thomas’ cap number for 2021 right now is $18,800,000. Taysom’s cap is $16,159,000. I’ve seen Thomas destroy the league, he is a known quantity. Taysom? Not anywhere near where CGM is as far as needing to be paid superstar money. Being paid almost the same as Thomas? That’s just goofy.

That was a bad signing, imho, a very, very bad signing.

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Flashback to last year against the Vikings. Taysom Hill kept the Saints in that game. He was missed against the Bucs. Bad signing? Time will tell but he's signed and it is what it is.

Above is my original thread. Which stands on it's own merit.

That's a bit of broad brush you're painting with,

All I did was defend my original statement that was blown all out of proportion.

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It was obvious he wasn't right health wise. 0 catches in the playoffs? Naw, Mike is too much of a competitor.

Glad he's getting much needed surgery.

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Fully understand the logic you’re using to think the way you think. Using your logic of “he’s signed..., it is what it is..., time will tell” can be equally applied to everyone else that is currently signed. Including CGM, well not really Thomas or Kamara as we don’t need “time to tell” as they ARE playmakers, not “time will tell” folks.

“They’re all signed, time will tell, it is what it is”. Right? Problem with that logic is somehow, someway almost $100 million has to be “booked” to be in compliance and field a team in fall 2021. “He is signed” isn’t going to work. 45 of the current 53 players are already “he is signed” and accounted for already in the 2021 cap mess, and those salaries put us over almost $100,000,000.00. There will be “he is signed” folks who won’t be on the final 53 in the fall of 2021. And it’s my belief Taysom Hill should be on that evaluate for trade or release list also. A “gadget” guy is an extravagance.

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NFL is finished. We are at war. China and other countries have attacked us. They used BLM and Antifa as proxy terrorists organizations and covid as a front to isolate us and destroy the dollar.

If you still think this is not happening then sure, enjoy your fooseball. Mama said Col Sanders was wrong.

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lol, Beast - you got the brain pain again?

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After spending 20 yrs in the military enlisted to officer I absolutely have the brain pain. I love all you guys and gals. ALL of you but we are at war. If you choose not to believe it then don't. I however know that we are. I am a subject matter expert on it. Mock me, ridicule me. I do not care. Free speech, our most sacred right is being trashed to the effin tilt.

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Its that point, i dont think anyone saying trade Thomas is anything to do with him as a player. Its the fact the teams is so far over the top of the cap and some changes are going to be needed and you look at where it could be trimmed.

The Peat and Hill contracts where the bad ones imo. If Hill was the future at QB he would have beat Teddy out a year back.

In a ideal world the cap would have jumped like expected and you'd be making the contract changes and a few cuts,extensions to sort out the difference and keeping the core together. The roster salary is very very heavily weighted to a few players.

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Beast, I wasn’t trying to mock or ridicule you, and I’m aware of your service to the country, and thank you for it, from the bottom of my heart. You brought up “fooseball” and “Mama” and “Col Sanders” with a quote from the movie Waterboy. So I replied similarly, Mama had “brain pain”. You have my apology, but it was not my intention to ridicule you. Or your beliefs.

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That last sentence I do agree with. It may be debatable whether we are war, but we still should have our guard up. China has a lot to work with, unfortunately.

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[QUOTE=gosaints1;912775]Fully understand the logic you’re using to think the way you think. Using your logic of “he’s signed..., it is what it is..., time will tell” can be equally applied to everyone else that is currently signed. Including CGM, well not really Thomas or Kamara as we don’t need “time to tell” as they ARE playmakers, not “time will tell” folks.

“They’re all signed, time will tell, it is what it is”. Right? Problem with that logic is somehow, someway almost $100 million has to be “booked” to be in compliance and field a team in fall 2021. “He is signed” isn’t going to work. 45 of the current 53 players are already “he is signed” and accounted for already in the 2021 cap mess, and those salaries put us over almost $100,000,000.00. There will be “he is signed” folks who won’t be on the final 53 in the fall of 2021. And it’s my belief Taysom Hill should be on that evaluate for trade or release list also. A “gadget” guy
"Hill is signed....." I mentioned Taysom Hill and ONLY TAYSOM HILL. Go back and read it again.

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[quote=vpheughan;912859]Yes, I know you mentioned Taysom Hill as being “signed” ONLY. It’s my point, and exactly my point. Taysom Hill being signed doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be evaluated for trade or release, he’s no different from anyone else on the 53 man roster, of which 45 are already signed for 2021.

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[quote=gosaints1;912876]Again, I stated Taysom Hill was signed, it is what it is and time will tell if it was a bad signing. The statement as far as Taysom Hill goes stands on it's own. Show me where I stated he shouldn't be evaluated for trade or release along with anyone else on the team.

You either get BITTER or you get BETTER. It’s that simple.
You either take what has been dealt to you and allow it to make you a better person, or you allow it to tear you down. The choice does not belong to FATE . It belongs to YOU!!

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[quote=vpheughan;912878]hmmm..., I don’t think I’m bitter, either over the loss or on who is signed. Very simply, some around here have foreseen the fall of DB#9, and are/were unbiased in assessing both the roster and our inability to succeed in the postseason bc of that roster. It’s the same approach I’m using now, an unbiased approach. When it comes to the QB philosophy, mine is simple. Best one wins the job, EzPz. Whomever is on the roster gets an equal chance to win the job, under the same center, with the same offensive weapons and playbook. I’m just not a fan of <insert any QB here> being named starter, while being unproven, without competition..., bc - Coach nubs him. Just not my cup of tea, but to each their own.

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Agreed on everything, especially wrt if Taysom were the future he would have beaten out Teddy Two Gloves. That is spot on, and wrt Taysom’s contract, it’s the reason I don’t understand giving him that much money, attributed to the 2021 cap. He’s paid like he’s the future, but is he really already designated the future? It’s just my belief, that the two ppl you build this team around are CGM, and Kamara. Lose either of those and who you name starting QB is unimportant, that person will struggle, a lot.

To me, it’s very simple, either completely rebuild from the ground up, and much younger..., or keep your superstar playmakers and find a QB, my preference would be to see the two that are on the roster now, both, get equal chances at starting.

I’m not Anti-Taysom! I’m not, I assure you..., that being said, neither am I anti-Winston.

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You guys are too fu$%ing angry.. Look at your selves.

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I don't have to look at myself.

I stated Taysom Was signed, was it a bad signing? Time will tell. It is what it is. Nothing more nothing less.

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I admit I'm bitter and frustrated. But I'm only borderline angry. I've been blessed through hard work and dedication to God. But Beastmode is correct, a storm is coming and we shouldn't bury our head in the sand and think that the threat isn't real.

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The storm been brewing the entire time big brotha.