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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by BakoSaint Michael Thomas being hurt is a great excuse for Michael Thomas not showing up in this game. But it does not change the fact that generally dedicating franchise player level money to a WR is not ...

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Old 01-20-2021, 02:27 AM   #1
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Re: Keys to Building a Dynasty

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Michael Thomas being hurt is a great excuse for Michael Thomas not showing up in this game. But it does not change the fact that generally dedicating franchise player level money to a WR is not a formula for championship success in this league. I also have a concern that having a dominant #1 WR stunts the development of a young QB as instead of learning to go through their progressions they take the easy route of letting their star WR carry them and can look like a pretty good top 10 QB and get their big contract and settle in but never reach the next level. I think its better for a young QB to have an ensemble cast of skilled receivers with different tools but no dominant beast #1.



I would not write off the entire New England system for 20 years because it didn't work with a new QB who was too old and got covid in a year with an abridged training camp. The Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. We have seen what teams like the Lions, Falcons, Texans, etc do with much more able QBs than 2020 Cam Newton or Matt Cassell. The Saints do need to find a better QB than 2020 Newton or Cassell, but even with just an above average QB you can win championships with the right system and avoiding the mistakes many teams make.

You are going against the grain with that opinion of having a dominant receiver being less desirable for the development of a young QB than a bunch of ok guys.

Most "experts" state that a star receiver will help with the development of a young QB, because they can build their confidence through that connection. Losing your confidence is probably one of the biggest reasons why some young QBs never make it and become "busts."

Personally, I feel a lot more confident in bringing in a young QB into the system being a success with Kamara and Thomas than bringing him into a one without them.

Naturally, a good O-line is the biggest friend of a QB - young or old.


And when it comes to New England - one has to take into consideration that the other teams in that division have been dumpster fires until very recently, and that NE has been very sound defensively in most years during this run of theirs. All of these things take pressure of the offense too, since they probably have been able to play with the lead more often than not.

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Old 01-25-2021, 03:33 PM   #2
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I think that if having an absolutely dominant #1 receiver rather than an ensemble cast was a great way to develop a young QB we would be looking at football in this millenium and saying the great QBs were Matt Stafford with having Calvin Johnson, Matt Ryan with having Julio Jones, David Carr having Andre Johnson, Matt Leinart having Larry Fitzgerald and Anquon Boldin, Daunte Culpepper having Randy Moss, Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray getting elite #1 wide receivers their second year, etc. Instead we have great QBs like Brady coming up with no super elite receivers, Manning developing alongside Harrison not with Harrison as a star or super high draft pick in place, Brees developing alongside Colston in New Orleans, Roetlisberger developing alongside a changing cast of recievers who only became elite with his help, Wilson lacking star receivers until recently, Rodgers developing with some good receivers but not an absolute beast early in his career. To be great, a QB has to learn to go through their progressions, throw into a tight window, etc and get over their college days which are often coming from a big program playing most games against weaker opponents with their star receiver wide open. If a QB has a receiver early in their NFL career who is always open or catches everything and they can just throw it up for grabs to their first read every other down, they may rack up stats that look encouraging and help their GM justify the cost of acquiring both the QB and receiver, but they often fail to develop over time into true champions. That is my opinion. Maholmes may be the exception but Hill is the ultimate deep threat and Maholmes has the big arm and KC has always had a wide cast of other weapons opening up the field.

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You are going against the grain with that opinion of having a dominant receiver being less desirable for the development of a young QB than a bunch of ok guys.

Most "experts" state that a star receiver will help with the development of a young QB, because they can build their confidence through that connection. Losing your confidence is probably one of the biggest reasons why some young QBs never make it and become "busts."

Personally, I feel a lot more confident in bringing in a young QB into the system being a success with Kamara and Thomas than bringing him into a one without them.

Naturally, a good O-line is the biggest friend of a QB - young or old.


And when it comes to New England - one has to take into consideration that the other teams in that division have been dumpster fires until very recently, and that NE has been very sound defensively in most years during this run of theirs. All of these things take pressure of the offense too, since they probably have been able to play with the lead more often than not.
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Old 01-26-2021, 05:50 AM   #3
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Re: Keys to Building a Dynasty

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I think..

There are a lot of things to nitpick in that wall of text, but I'll just counter with what happened this year with the development of Josh Allen after he got a legit #1 receiver in Diggs.
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