Might make ppl angry but here it is

Vrillon82 · 01-18-2021, 02:19 PM

I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight.

He cannot throw more than 20 yards, if you want to get to a SB you have to take a deeper passing game, otherwise you get teams like Philly, LV, and now Tampa that just cover up to the sticks knowing Brees is not going 20+ yards down the field.

Essentially him sticking around has cost us 2 chances in 4 years at a SB.

Want proof? Look at the last several playoff games. We have never gotten to score more than 23 pts in any of them and relied on defense to try and hold the opponent under.

His decision to come back this year cost us this year, why? He wanted to compete with Tom Brady who apparently is in better shape than Drew is. If drew stayed away, Tom comes to New Orleans and we probably be in the nfccg maybe even at home.

Drew has caused the offense in the playoffs to go completely anemic which is what i feared and saw it vs Chicago and knew what was to come against Tampa.

Thats my 2 cents.

No way im wanting Jameis or Taysom in with the turnovers, but it couldn’t of been worse last night had Taysom been in there. Jameis got as much yards in 1 play than Drew could get on 3 drives.

Thats my rant.

Budsdrinker · 01-19-2021, 02:12 PM

That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year.

gosaints1 · 01-19-2021, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year.

lol, that’s one way to look at it..., but I’m pretty sure four turnovers is what “cost us”. Including three int’s, all three bad throws, regardless of whether Murray was on the field, or Hill, or CGM playing through an injury.

Who knows what the future will bring? Not me for sure, but I’ll be critical of any QB who performs like our starting QB did this past Sunday. Simple as that.

rezburna · 01-19-2021, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight.

He cannot throw more than 20 yards, if you want to get to a SB you have to take a deeper passing game, otherwise you get teams like Philly, LV, and now Tampa that just cover up to the sticks knowing Brees is not going 20+ yards down the field.

Essentially him sticking around has cost us 2 chances in 4 years at a SB.

Want proof? Look at the last several playoff games. We have never gotten to score more than 23 pts in any of them and relied on defense to try and hold the opponent under.

His decision to come back this year cost us this year, why? He wanted to compete with Tom Brady who apparently is in better shape than Drew is. If drew stayed away, Tom comes to New Orleans and we probably be in the nfccg maybe even at home.

Drew has caused the offense in the playoffs to go completely anemic which is what i feared and saw it vs Chicago and knew what was to come against Tampa.

Thats my 2 cents.

No way im wanting Jameis or Taysom in with the turnovers, but it couldn’t of been worse last night had Taysom been in there. Jameis got as much yards in 1 play than Drew could get on 3 drives.

Thats my rant.

It’s been the unaccepted truth for years. Our defenses were historically bad for a long that when we finally got pretty good to great defenses people still blamed them for our woes. The whole time it was the Noodle Arm making the offense predictable.

K Major · 01-19-2021, 03:23 PM

Agreed GoSaints1 …

4 turnovers in a playoff game? Who are you defeating ? No one.

I hope Sean Payton gets away with the "dink and dunk" (assuming Brees is done) going forward.

Gotta stretch the field. Todd Bowles stacked the box and dared us to go deep.

dizzle88 · 01-19-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Agreed GoSaints1 …

4 turnovers in a playoff game? Who are you defeating ? No one.

I hope Sean Payton gets away with the "dink and dunk" (assuming Brees is done) going forward.

Gotta stretch the field. Todd Bowles stacked the box and dared us to go deep.

As did Zimmer last year and Wade the year before.

They all knew the blueprint once we were in the playoffs, that's why every loss looked so similar.

stickman · 01-19-2021, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight.

This might be true, but he definitely carried this team for a few years before that.

And as far as his coming back cost the team a couple of Superbowl appearances, I disagree. We don't know for sure the QB situation would have been any better. This team has not drafted QBs well recently and we can't assume we would have landed any free agent QB.

blackangold · 01-19-2021, 04:25 PM

I agree, and have made similar comments in other posts.

I would argue Drew has been the one holding the team back for at least the last 2 years, potentially 3. I have debated many on this forum for years regarding Drew's ability to throw the deep ball.

I think it's interesting to bring up Brady coming to NOLA... had Drew retired like he should have, Tom likely would have come here. I am not going to look now, but I recall reading some articles about his interest in working with Payton.

The Dude · 01-19-2021, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

This might be true, but he definitely carried this team for a few years before that.

And as far as his coming back cost the team a couple of Superbowl appearances, I disagree. We don't know for sure the QB situation would have been any better. This team has not drafted QBs well recently and we can't assume we would have landed any free agent QB.

I’m like you, I really don’t think there was anyone out there that was any better. His injury was unfortunate and the injury to Taysom and Murray cost us. That being said having to bring in Hill or Winston when you want to take a shot down field isn’t a recipe for success.

gulfgambler · 01-20-2021, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year.

We've overcome injuries better than other teams for the past 4 years.2 of the 4 turnovers were on Jared Cook.
Your so right john, between salary cap problems and Drew's departure , this team will probably experience a playoff drought for several years. Get ready for the Pre Drew version of the New Orleans saints

01-18-2021, 02:19 PM	#1
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Might make ppl angry but here it is I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight. He cannot throw more than 20 yards, if you want to get to a SB you have to take a deeper passing game, otherwise you get teams like Philly, LV, and now Tampa that just cover up to the sticks knowing Brees is not going 20+ yards down the field. Essentially him sticking around has cost us 2 chances in 4 years at a SB. Want proof? Look at the last several playoff games. We have never gotten to score more than 23 pts in any of them and relied on defense to try and hold the opponent under. His decision to come back this year cost us this year, why? He wanted to compete with Tom Brady who apparently is in better shape than Drew is. If drew stayed away, Tom comes to New Orleans and we probably be in the nfccg maybe even at home. Drew has caused the offense in the playoffs to go completely anemic which is what i feared and saw it vs Chicago and knew what was to come against Tampa. Thats my 2 cents. No way im wanting Jameis or Taysom in with the turnovers, but it couldn’t of been worse last night had Taysom been in there. Jameis got as much yards in 1 play than Drew could get on 3 drives. Thats my rant. blackangold and rezburna like this.
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01-19-2021, 02:12 PM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year. gulfgambler and gosaints1 like this.

01-19-2021, 03:00 PM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by Budsdrinker That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year. lol, that’s one way to look at it..., but I’m pretty sure four turnovers is what “cost us”. Including three int’s, all three bad throws, regardless of whether Murray was on the field, or Hill, or CGM playing through an injury. Who knows what the future will bring? Not me for sure, but I’ll be critical of any QB who performs like our starting QB did this past Sunday. Simple as that. K Major and rezburna like this.
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01-19-2021, 03:15 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,652	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by Vrillon82 I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight. He cannot throw more than 20 yards, if you want to get to a SB you have to take a deeper passing game, otherwise you get teams like Philly, LV, and now Tampa that just cover up to the sticks knowing Brees is not going 20+ yards down the field. Essentially him sticking around has cost us 2 chances in 4 years at a SB. Want proof? Look at the last several playoff games. We have never gotten to score more than 23 pts in any of them and relied on defense to try and hold the opponent under. His decision to come back this year cost us this year, why? He wanted to compete with Tom Brady who apparently is in better shape than Drew is. If drew stayed away, Tom comes to New Orleans and we probably be in the nfccg maybe even at home. Drew has caused the offense in the playoffs to go completely anemic which is what i feared and saw it vs Chicago and knew what was to come against Tampa. Thats my 2 cents. No way im wanting Jameis or Taysom in with the turnovers, but it couldn’t of been worse last night had Taysom been in there. Jameis got as much yards in 1 play than Drew could get on 3 drives. Thats my rant. It’s been the unaccepted truth for years. Our defenses were historically bad for a long that when we finally got pretty good to great defenses people still blamed them for our woes. The whole time it was the Noodle Arm making the offense predictable.

01-19-2021, 03:23 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Agreed GoSaints1 … 4 turnovers in a playoff game? Who are you defeating ? No one. I hope Sean Payton gets away with the "dink and dunk" (assuming Brees is done) going forward. Gotta stretch the field. Todd Bowles stacked the box and dared us to go deep.

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01-19-2021, 03:31 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by K Major Agreed GoSaints1 … 4 turnovers in a playoff game? Who are you defeating ? No one. I hope Sean Payton gets away with the "dink and dunk" (assuming Brees is done) going forward. Gotta stretch the field. Todd Bowles stacked the box and dared us to go deep. As did Zimmer last year and Wade the year before. They all knew the blueprint once we were in the playoffs, that's why every loss looked so similar.

01-19-2021, 04:03 PM	#7
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,597	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by Vrillon82 I believe This team has tried to carry Brees as much as possible the last few years, but he could never pull his own weight. This might be true, but he definitely carried this team for a few years before that. And as far as his coming back cost the team a couple of Superbowl appearances, I disagree. We don't know for sure the QB situation would have been any better. This team has not drafted QBs well recently and we can't assume we would have landed any free agent QB.

01-19-2021, 04:25 PM	#8
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is I agree, and have made similar comments in other posts. I would argue Drew has been the one holding the team back for at least the last 2 years, potentially 3. I have debated many on this forum for years regarding Drew's ability to throw the deep ball. I think it's interesting to bring up Brady coming to NOLA... had Drew retired like he should have, Tom likely would have come here. I am not going to look now, but I recall reading some articles about his interest in working with Payton.

01-19-2021, 05:59 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by stickman This might be true, but he definitely carried this team for a few years before that. And as far as his coming back cost the team a couple of Superbowl appearances, I disagree. We don't know for sure the QB situation would have been any better. This team has not drafted QBs well recently and we can't assume we would have landed any free agent QB. I’m like you, I really don’t think there was anyone out there that was any better. His injury was unfortunate and the injury to Taysom and Murray cost us. That being said having to bring in Hill or Winston when you want to take a shot down field isn’t a recipe for success.
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01-20-2021, 11:30 AM	#10
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,095	Re: Might make ppl angry but here it is Originally Posted by Budsdrinker That's what so great about this country or at least what used to be is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and can express it at anytime. No one has to agree with it but I'm sure several will. Injuries to multiple people have cost us in the playoffs. Longest pass Brady completed Sunday was 16 yards. Not having Murray, Hill and a hobbled Thomas with a bad ankle who couldn't make clean breaks is what cost us. It is almost certain next year we won't have Brees so I can't wait to hear the reasoning if we don't make the playoffs next year. We've overcome injuries better than other teams for the past 4 years.2 of the 4 turnovers were on Jared Cook. Your so right john, between salary cap problems and Drew's departure , this team will probably experience a playoff drought for several years. Get ready for the Pre Drew version of the New Orleans saints Rugby Saint II likes this.