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RailBoss 01-20-2021 04:43 PM

Brees Additional Injuries
 
New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees played through more pain than anyone realized in 2020. On top of 11 broken ribs and a collapsed lung, Brees played through the season with a torn rotator cuff and a torn fascia (connective tissue) in his foot.

That information was revealed by Brees’ wife Brittany, who revealed the extent of her husband’s injuries on Instagram. While people knew about Brees’ rib and lung injuries, his torn rotator cuff and torn fascia went unreported during the season.
RE: Brittany Brees Instagram

dizzle88 01-20-2021 05:01 PM

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I hate this time of year when it's like "I only played bad because of this."

No one can question Brees' toughness and no one would, he's played through so much. But if he was dealing with that much, then he probably wasn't the right person to go into the playoffs with.

stickman 01-20-2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 912938)
I hate this time of year when it's like "I only played bad because of this."

No one can question Brees' toughness and no one would, he's played through so much. But if he was dealing with that much, then he probably wasn't the right person to go into the playoffs with.

Agreed. But, no one as competitive as Brees is going to take himself out of the game. If Payton new about all of this and still had him on the field, then that's on Payton.

dizzle88 01-20-2021 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 912939)
Agreed. But, no one as competitive as Brees is going to take himself out of the game. If Payton new about all of this and still had him on the field, then that's on Payton.

Oh yeah 100%, I feel Payton was probably so caught up in the Farewell Tour stuff, that he couldn't see Brees holding the offense back.

neugey 01-20-2021 05:16 PM

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Brees put it all on the line for us. Team put it all on the line for him. This was a "Last Dance" approach (expect our coach is staying). It didn't work, but at least we tried. Cap-wise and all that, we'd still be in this same boat even if we did win it all. Fans and critics would probably be more upset if we had not gone into "Win Now" mode. I don't see a problem.

lee909 01-20-2021 05:19 PM

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My concern with this sort of thing is you could see it being used as a reason for just one more go. A bad last game,going out on a crappy game and you could see Drew waking up in a few weeks and going again.

Love the guy and he has been truely one of the greatest ever to play the game but another year would be a mistake imho.

BakoSaint 01-20-2021 06:18 PM

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If Teddy Bridgewater or Alex Smith had been the Saints starting QB when they sustained their big injury, they would still have started in the playoffs, even if we had a backup who just as good a recent record or recently led the league in passing.

The Dude 01-20-2021 06:54 PM

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He was still our best bet. He should have sat out for the KC game. I have no doubt he has the skills and ability to go another year and perform at a very high level. Unfortunately his body had different plans and he would just wind up hurt again.

The Dude 01-20-2021 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 912945)
My concern with this sort of thing is you could see it being used as a reason for just one more go. A bad last game,going out on a crappy game and you could see Drew waking up in a few weeks and going again.

Love the guy and he has been truely one of the greatest ever to play the game but another year would be a mistake imho.

After all he’s done for this city and this team I would support him another year.
I doubt his teammates would.

lee909 01-20-2021 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 912953)
After all he’s done for this city and this team I would support him another year.
I doubt his teammates would.

I get that, but it would likely be a wasted year and would decimate the team as you would either have to eat a massive 35ml cap hit or extend him again pushing more money down the line.


I have seen it to much in other sports when fighters,players i have loved watching compete just going on a couple of years beyond what they should physcially and it just gets ugly and leaves a bit of a tarnish on their legacy for many. For what he doen he would deserve it, but for the team it would push everything back a year for nothing and you are wasting a year of young players

RailBoss 01-20-2021 07:39 PM

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"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!

909 I can still see Tracy Porter like a continual memory loop. Not to mention Drew was 31 years old in that game against the Colts.

Rsanders24 01-20-2021 10:19 PM

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Those injuries would explain why even the normal accurate short passes were off on a lot of his throws. It was a very sad ending to a season that had so much promise.

I appreciate all that Brees has done but now it’s time to just move on. We have a young core of players that we cannot afford to waste. There is very little chance that with all those injuries Brees would be a 100% next season not factoring that he will be declining physically.

blackangold 01-21-2021 12:51 AM

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No one is 100% that late into the season, but Brees could barely throw the ball 20 yds when the season started. As we got toward the end of the season the 15yd passes were struggling to get there quickly.

I don’t blame Drew, being a ego driven guy I understand what he did, but I doubt many believe he was the best option at QB over the last 2 years. Payton went 8-1 over the last 2 seasons without him and with 2 different QBs.

Oh well... time to move on.

SaintFanQ 01-21-2021 04:31 AM

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Don't forget Thomas was playing injured too, normally his top receiver, so that wouldn't help Brees's cause either.

MatthewT 01-21-2021 07:22 AM

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Perhaps what this really proves is the Saints have no confidence in Jameis Winston and if Brees retires there will be new QBs brought in to compete with Hill.

K Major 01-21-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 912974)
Perhaps what this really proves is the Saints have no confidence in Jameis Winston and if Brees retires there will be new QBs brought in to compete with Hill.

I simply cannot believe Winston won't get a legit look (assuming he resigns) in 2021. He has the body of work, 1st round pedigree, can make all NFL throws & has won a lot of meaningful games.

Jameis has had 3 different HC/OC's in 5 seasons.

Sean P turned an unpolished Tony Romo into a really good QB. I'd like to see what he could do with Winston on a FT basis.

SmashMouth 01-21-2021 08:54 AM

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This is supposed to be a team game, no? It's very likely why Tampa attacked. and stacked the line. They brought Jameis in for a trick play long pass. Hill missed a wide open wr for a TD in the previous game. If Brees was that injured, then SP cost the Saints yet another birth to the next round.

Budsdrinker 01-21-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 912939)
Agreed. But, no one as competitive as Brees is going to take himself out of the game. If Payton new about all of this and still had him on the field, then that's on Payton.

The team had to know especially with Brees wearing KT tape on his shoulder all year. This tells me that the confidence isn't there yet with Hill or Winston. Hill needs to be more decisive with his throws and anticipate and trust that the receiver is going to be where he's supposed to be and let it rip. With Winston, who knows. He made a couple good throws against 49er's when he came in and he made a couple terrible throws. Winston has the arm talent, just needs the decision making process to improve. I can see Brees coming back to camp and they have a full QB competition providing a deal with Winston can be made. He might be a post June 1st retiree and save a little cap space, who knows.

K Major 01-21-2021 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 912976)
This is supposed to be a team game, no? It's very likely why Tampa attacked. and stacked the line. They brought Jameis in for a trick play long pass. Hill missed a wide open wr for a TD in the previous game. If Brees was that injured, then SP cost the Saints yet another birth to the next round.

+1.

On the "trick play" where Winston threw to a wide open 3quan, I saw 4 defenders trail with AK and jammed Thomas at the line.

And as you stated, Bowles primarily stacked the box and dared Brees to beat us with the long ball. He knew DB posed very little "threat" downfield but it took a well executed gadget play to beat coverage with a live arm of Jameis.

Sean Payton is a top offensive mind, but sometimes I believe he still thinks he has a 30 year old Brees under center.

Budsdrinker 01-21-2021 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 912981)
+1.

On the "trick play" where Winston threw to a wide open 3quan, I saw 4 defenders trail with AK and jammed Thomas at the line.

And as you stated, Bowles primarily stacked the box and dared Brees to beat us with the long ball. He knew DB posed very little "threat" downfield but it took a well executed gadget play to beat coverage with a live arm of Jameis.

Sean Payton is a top offensive mind, but sometimes I believe he still thinks he has a 30 year old Brees under center.

The trick play had more to do with Jameis athletic ability to run more than the throw itself. Ball only traveled 28 yards in the air and contrary to most of the beliefs on this forum, Drew can make that throw. Now lining up wide and sprinting back to the middle of the field, probably not.

K Major 01-21-2021 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 912982)
The trick play had more to do with Jameis athletic ability to run more than the throw itself. Ball only traveled 28 yards in the air and contrary to most of the beliefs on this forum, Drew can make that throw. Now lining up wide and sprinting back to the middle of the field, probably not.

Jameis running? On that defense? If Taysom was in there I could see your argument but JW is no threat to take off and hurt a defense with his legs.

Anytime we need to stretch the field, Taysom is under center. Brees can no longer effectively throw the deep pass (25-30 yards) consistently.

Sanders & 3quan have been limited with #9.

RailBoss 01-21-2021 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 912983)
Jameis running? On that defense? If Taysom was in there I could see your argument but JW is no threat to take off and hurt a defense with his legs.

Anytime we need to stretch the field, Taysom is under center. Brees can no longer effectively throw the deep pass (25-30 yards) consistently.

Sanders & 3quan have been limited with #9.

Coach most likely knew Drew's injuries and limitations that's probably why Taysom was such a valuable part of the game plan. I suspect SP freaked when he knew Taysom was out for the Bucs game. Same thing probably with Thomas.

WhoDat!656 01-21-2021 09:53 AM

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Is the league going to punish the Saints for this? I believe Weeks 8-10 the Saints listed Brees with a shoulder injury, but if it was bothering him all year as his wife says, then I will be surprised if Der Kommisar doesn't do something about it.

I want to know if Brees told SP about it.

Budsdrinker 01-21-2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 912983)
Jameis running? On that defense? If Taysom was in there I could see your argument but JW is no threat to take off and hurt a defense with his legs.

Anytime we need to stretch the field, Taysom is under center. Brees can no longer effectively throw the deep pass (25-30 yards) consistently.

Sanders & 3quan have been limited with #9.

I didn't say a rushing threat, I said athletic ability the run from spread out wide to back to the middle of the field. Never said or intended for Jameis to be a rushing threat.

lee909 01-21-2021 12:39 PM

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Not sold on Winston being the answer at all.
In the very limited minutes this year there wasn't much to see. And you saw last weekend that as good as the D has been even they can't keep bailing you out when defending a short field.

Most of my post have probably looked to be critical, its not meant to be but taking the Saints glasses off and just looking at the facts on the table.

Personally i quiet excited at a new future and see plenty to be optimistic about.

New coaches always bring new ideas and new training regimes,ideas and keep things fresh. Shame we lost Glenn,especially if Allen does get a HC job. Time to move on from some players and 100% time to move on from the sick notes that can't stay healthy over multiple seasons.

Some big changes coming but some good drafting the next two years,some clever scouting and trading and there is no reason that by the start of the 2023 the Saints cannot be looking to make a deep run. Tampa will be done by then as even Brady isn't going on much longer,Falcons and Panthers are not great and need to fill as many holes as the Saints.

Should have 2 3rd round comp picks this year, and would expect a few next year to go with the 3rd they will have for Terry Fontenot leaving.

UK_WhoDat 01-22-2021 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 912953)
After all he’s done for this city and this team I would support him another year.
I doubt his teammates would.

As a player, I would not. I would want to him to retain whatever modicum of health and fitness he has, for the benfit of his, his family's future.

As an Ambassador for the Saints - Yeah.

TheOak 01-22-2021 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 912975)
I simply cannot believe Winston won't get a legit look (assuming he resigns) in 2021. He has the body of work, 1st round pedigree, can make all NFL throws & has won a lot of meaningful games.

Jameis has had 3 different HC/OC's in 5 seasons.

Sean P turned an unpolished Tony Romo into a really good QB. I'd like to see what he could do with Winston on a FT basis.

Winston and Romo have something in common. They both love to throw to the other team :):bng:

Thirty3 01-22-2021 04:23 PM

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Hindsight: he should have stopped playing VERY EARLY in the year and set his sights on next year then. It was a stupid year anyway with Covid and no fans. Nearing the end of his career I can see the desire to keep playing especially with the talent we had. I do not fault him, nor do I hope he retires. One more SHOT Drew!! Come on! The heck with the naysayers...you'll get them onboard with winning. We all know you have it in you. So do you. give it a shot.
On the flip side, if Drew doesn't come back I am very cool with Taysom being our guy, but will miss what I consider could be Drew's possibly best year. Oh yeah, I mean it.

Thirty3 01-22-2021 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 912975)
I simply cannot believe Winston won't get a legit look (assuming he resigns) in 2021. He has the body of work, 1st round pedigree, can make all NFL throws & has won a lot of meaningful games.

Jameis has had 3 different HC/OC's in 5 seasons.

Sean P turned an unpolished Tony Romo into a really good QB. I'd like to see what he could do with Winston on a FT basis.

In the words of that famous American philosopher: Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid". (Of course I'm referring to the incessant interceptions - not his IQ of which I have no knowledge).

K Major 01-22-2021 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thirty3 (Post 913074)
In the words of that famous American philosopher: Forest Gump, "You can't fix stupid". (Of course I'm referring to the incessant interceptions - not his IQ of which I have no knowledge).

Thirty,

The only people that truly know what improvements/decision making Jameis has or hasn't made over the course of this season is our coaching staff, specifically Sean Payton. Maybe, just maybe SP didn't play him much in efforts to lower his price tag in Free Agency for 2021.

Saints need a QB.

Once Free Agency begins, we'll see what (if any) the front office is willing to offer with the salary cap constraints.

ChrisXVI 01-22-2021 06:22 PM

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I’ve been hesitant to post this because I’m not exactly sure how to word it but since the season ended we’ve heard of just how bad guys like Brees, MT, Tre’Quan, etc have been injured due to them having surgeries now. I haven’t heard a peep about Cam Jordan being more injured than he let on. If what I saw from him on the field this season was not him being hindered by injury then I’m scared. He was NOT being double-teamed all the time. In fact, I saw reps where he was at a 9-technique and got blocked by a TE.

xan 01-22-2021 07:30 PM

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It was disrespectful to the veterans who had one last shot at a ring for Brees to “suffer” through 5 significant injuries and play at 50%. You play the game to win, not supplicate the ego of an currently incompetent player.

This was a self inflicted gunshot to the knee.

Audiotom 01-22-2021 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 912977)
The team had to know especially with Brees wearing KT tape on his shoulder all year. This tells me that the confidence isn't there yet with Hill or Winston. Hill needs to be more decisive with his throws and anticipate and trust that the receiver is going to be where he's supposed to be and let it rip. With Winston, who knows. He made a couple good throws against 49er's when he came in and he made a couple terrible throws. Winston has the arm talent, just needs the decision making process to improve. I can see Brees coming back to camp and they have a full QB competition providing a deal with Winston can be made. He might be a post June 1st retiree and save a little cap space, who knows.

Winston’s terrible throws were overthrows to avoid an int and sack

TheOak 01-23-2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 913089)
It was disrespectful to the veterans who had one last shot at a ring for Brees to “suffer” through 5 significant injuries and play at 50%. You play the game to win, not supplicate the ego of an currently incompetent player.

This was a self inflicted gunshot to the knee.

We have had a triage for a team most of the year. Who else disrespected the practice squad receivers by playing hurt?

That statement ignores the context of most of the season doesn't it?

TheOak 01-23-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 913081)
I’ve been hesitant to post this because I’m not exactly sure how to word it but since the season ended we’ve heard of just how bad guys like Brees, MT, Tre’Quan, etc have been injured due to them having surgeries now. I haven’t heard a peep about Cam Jordan being more injured than he let on. If what I saw from him on the field this season was not him being hindered by injury then I’m scared. He was NOT being double-teamed all the time. In fact, I saw reps where he was at a 9-technique and got blocked by a TE.

Cam doesn't get mentioned because.. well people just assume he is performing like he did in 2015-2017.. He isn't preforming that well but we cant talk about defense.

Rugby Saint II 01-23-2021 04:36 PM

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Well, I'll miss him but I'll bet Brittney and the family will be glad to have daddy home more now.

SaintGnome 01-23-2021 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 913090)
Winston’s terrible throws were overthrows to avoid an int and sack

Actually no, the bulk of Winston's INT's were unforced, meaning he wasn't under duress when he chucked it to the other team. He also gave it up a lot with fumbles.


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