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rezburna 01-25-2021 02:18 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 913373)
Thomas can't go deep anyway so pot and kettle right there. He's a possession receiver and Drew is super accurate ala the most catches in a season?

He can definitely go deep and make the contested catch. The kid ran 4.43 at his pro day. Brees just doesn’t throw him one on one go routes. He barely throws anybody one on one go routes.

rezburna 01-25-2021 02:25 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 913372)
Winston isn't under contract. What kind of deal would you offer him or better yet, what kind of deal do you think he will want?

1 year
$15 million

Ball out and you can get the big bucks.

rezburna 01-25-2021 02:26 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 913376)
I have nothing but respect for you Rez but the way that you talk about Drew feels disrespectful. He has been too good to us to talk about him like that. I respect what he's done for us and it's probably time to ride off into the sunset. Would you call him noodle arm to his face? No. I believe that you're better than that. We've been on the board together for years and I feel like I know you fairly well. All I'm saying is maybe you could just say that he has a very weak arm instead of the disrespectful tone of noodle arm. I agree it's time to move on though. :peace:

It probably is a little disrespectful. I’ll give you that.

Papa Voodoo 01-25-2021 02:40 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913383)
He can definitely go deep and make the contested catch. The kid ran 4.43 at his pro day. Brees just doesn’t throw him one on one go routes. He barely throws anybody one on one go routes.

Debatable, "Thomas ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 seconds at the NFL combine, a pedestrian time that made teams overlook him."

rezburna 01-25-2021 02:52 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 913386)
Debatable, "Thomas ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 seconds at the NFL combine, a pedestrian time that made teams overlook him."

I think teams know they ****ed up now. 😂

Rugby Saint II 01-25-2021 03:02 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913385)
It probably is a little disrespectful. I’ll give you that.

Respect!

Rsanders24 01-25-2021 07:15 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
You don’t have to be a burner to stretch the field or be a deep threat. You simply have to be a good route runner and be able to catch the ball with your hands.

Thomas can definitely do all of the above.

And for those saying Sanders is washed up...he simply operates better in space. He caught 61 passes and his catch % was almost 75%. Not bad for a small WR. The offense did very little in spacing due to Brees declining arm allowing defenses to play up close to the line and tight coverage. This was the recipe late in the year for most of the good teams we faced.

st thomas 01-25-2021 07:20 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 913386)
Debatable, "Thomas ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 seconds at the NFL combine, a pedestrian time that made teams overlook him."


That’s 4.0 seconds faster than me! What do y’all want? [emoji12]


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SaintGnome 01-25-2021 07:43 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913384)
1 year
$15 million

Ball out and you can get the big bucks.

Maaaybe

rezburna 01-25-2021 08:37 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 913421)
Maaaybe

What you thinkin’? 🤔

I’m spit ballin’.

rezburna 01-25-2021 08:39 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 913392)
Respect!

Likewise.

RefsRobbedUs 01-25-2021 10:34 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 913344)
Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?

Facts

RefsRobbedUs 01-25-2021 10:39 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913424)
What you thinkin’? 🤔

I’m spit ballin’.

I was thinking 15m too and I can see him take it. He needs to prove himself as the starter before they pay him more.

If coach doesn’t have faith in Jameis, they need to pursue Stafford (more realistic than Watson)

saintfan 01-25-2021 11:39 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
I don't hate Stafford, but I'd take Jameis over Stafford every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. Jameis would do very well with Sean.

TheOak 01-26-2021 04:55 AM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913384)
1 year
$15 million

Ball out and you can get the big bucks.

Careful, that is what I might classify as set up to lose. We have to get rid of 7-9 players to get under the cap, and will have to get rid of another 3-4 to clear enough cap space to pay $15M to Winston.

The way it will play out is that Winston cant ball out because we gutted the team around him and when that happens people that do not want Winston will say he had his chance and did nothing...

I believe that no matter what we do, Winston will be playing somewhere else in 2022.

gulfgambler 01-26-2021 12:58 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 913362)
Cook was responsible for at least 1.5 of those himself

NO! Cook was responsible for 2.0 of the TO's

K Major 01-26-2021 01:44 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913384)
1 year
$15 million

Ball out and you can get the big bucks.

Fair number.

15-20M is about the going rate for starting QB's.

lee909 01-26-2021 02:17 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913384)
1 year
$15 million

Ball out and you can get the big bucks.

That still means as a team they are paying out $31ml for 2 QBs under contract. Not really feasible under the cap with so many other high earners

RefsRobbedUs 01-26-2021 02:52 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 913467)
That still means as a team they are paying out $31ml for 2 QBs under contract. Not really feasible under the cap with so many other high earners

So the only option is Taysom or a rookie?

Yikes

Boston Saint 01-26-2021 03:14 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
Not that I want this, but can Winston be tenderer for a first round pick like Hill was last off season?

RefsRobbedUs 01-26-2021 03:25 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 913470)
Not that I want this, but can Winston be tenderer for a first round pick like Hill was last off season?

No, Hill was restricted. Winston is unrestricted.

lee909 01-26-2021 03:27 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 913469)
So the only option is Taysom or a rookie?

Yikes

They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't.

subguy 01-26-2021 05:40 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913388)
I think teams know they ****ed up now. 😂

They knew it prior to this year, in which his mouth proved he valued I as opposed to team, and was injured and then fought with teammates. This year he was sharply over paid and over valued.

subguy 01-26-2021 05:42 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 913429)
I don't hate Stafford, but I'd take Jameis over Stafford every day of the week and twice on Sunday's. Jameis would do very well with Sean.

Put another vote for the Stafford side...

SaintGnome 01-26-2021 05:50 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913424)
What you thinkin’? 🤔

I’m spit ballin’.

The one year thing scares me. If we are going to actually give him a legitimate chance to start, if he balls out in 2021 he's going to want 30-40 just next year and could leave if he doesn't get it from us. I could stomach 12-15 mil in a 3 year contract.

I didn't like bringing him in, and I didn't want to see him as our starter but you make a good point, he's probably the best bang for the buck we're going to get for what we'll be able to pay. I say give him the 3yr and let it be an open competition with him and Taysom.

vpheughan 01-27-2021 12:59 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
Look into Cooks numbers:
3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm
1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm
2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm
1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm
4 year TD total: 20 TD

He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO.

K Major 01-27-2021 01:07 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 913483)
Put another vote for the Stafford side...

Speculation is that Detroit wants a 1st & a player for Matthew. Highland Park is 32 years old with a body in decline. Mentally, he may have checked out.

Big gamble right there.

Boston Saint 01-27-2021 01:49 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
No way would I trade picks for Stafford or Watson. I’d keep them, replenish talent, and bet on Winston. Only QB I would trade for would be Rodgers.

TheOak 01-28-2021 05:57 AM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 913472)
They could find a way to pay him but the big question is "Is it in the long term interest to add void years and pay that money over a number of years". This year has really proven that pushing money into the future expecting the cap to jump on new deals comes with massive risks if it doesn't.

The issue is that 'finding a way' this season also diminishes a need for him. Stripping the team of any talent to have a decent QB is really a net zero exercise.

rezburna 01-28-2021 08:44 AM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 913532)
Look into Cooks numbers:
3 years with Drew Brees 20 TD longest in NO 50, 71, 98 Declining arm
1 year with Brady 7 TD longest in NE 64 good arm
2 years with Goff 7 TD longest in LA 57 strong arm
1 year with Watson 6 TD longest in HO 57 cannon arm
4 year TD total: 20 TD

He's done no better with non declining arms. In fact took him one more year to equal his stay in NO.

Brandin Cooks has a bad attitude and an overblown view of his worth. He could have been like Tyreek Hill, but he isn’t as tough. Despite his observation of Brees being accurate, he doesn’t want us observing and dissecting his play.

BakoSaint 01-29-2021 10:44 PM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than a football through Brandin Cooks catch radius.

vpheughan 01-30-2021 09:44 AM

Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913547)
Brandin Cooks has a bad attitude and an overblown view of his worth. He could have been like Tyreek Hill, but he isn’t as tough. Despite his observation of Brees being accurate, he doesn’t want us observing and dissecting his play.

Dive a little deeper 2016 Brandin Cooks numbers:

78 rec. down 6 from 2015's 84
Yards 1173 vs 2015 1138 hmm more yds less catches?
Yds Per Catch 15 vs 2015 13.5 hmmmm? again!
Longest 98 yds vs 2015 71, more again hmmmm?
Passes over 20 yds 15 vs 2015 18
Passes over 40 yds 6 vs 2015 5
This on the heels of playing 4 years with 3 different QB'S to equal the 20 TD'S he accrued in 3 years with a "declining" Brees throwing to him


Appears to me someone else's skills were in decline.


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