B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
 

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Mike Thomas throwing Drew under the bus on twitter right now talking about his lack of arm strength.

I read if we trade Mike there is like a 20m plus hit so I don't see that as an option. Diva's don't have much longevity under Payton.

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We all heard about there being an issue with the team and Thomas’s this year but I never thought much of it. I wonder if he’s been unhappy because Payton chose to ride it out with brees instead of making a switch to Jameis.

I honestly understand bogus side of that if it’s the case. Payton isn’t going to bench brees out of respect no matter what, and Thomas wants a Super Bowl.

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They know how to get a ride out of town cooks is an expert at it.


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That’s not at all how I interpreted it. MT just made an observation about coverage when the QB doesn’t throw deep much.

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Same thing take it how u want.


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Yea WWL is making a big deal out of it but I think they are reading too much into it. Either way he’s not wrong. He will be fine.

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Cooks was right. Thomas is right. Brees shrank in the playoffs for years because his Noodle Arm would get exposed. It’s old news. There’s a reason Payton was trying to get Mahomes. I’m tired of talking about him. I don’t want to hear anything about Brees and the Saints until they induct him into the HOF.

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Thomas has done better with Hill at QB but I dunno. Thomas didnt produce this year for nothing.

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Yeah, it was Brees arm that caused the Minn Miracle...and the Rams Comeback...

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Has Cooks set hall of fame numbers since his departure from the Saints ?

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I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

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I don't get it dude...I think everyone was appreciative of what Teddy did while the starting HOF QB was injured. It wasn't as if Teddy led the stat columns this year in NC.

Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem.

Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's.

Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.

If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped.

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Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster.

It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized.

We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...

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We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...

Already on the roster Jameis Winston
He can sling it alright, the hell with "accuracy"
76 games 61.4 % comp. 19,812 yds 121 td 88 int . Careful what you wish for.

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It has been a couple of seasons since we challenged with passing accuracy brother.

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I'm aware. I'm guilty of not opening my eyes to it earlier, though. Or at least not admitting to it... Look, I love Drew and what he's done for the team as well as the region in general so it's hard to imagine him not being our leader.

But.... it's evident his time has come to an end.

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Yeah I think that noodle arm facilitated the record breaking season for MT ... Respect seems to be lacking for a player who did little too distinguish himself on the playing field this year ... his biggest splash was the thrown punch at his TEAM MATE.

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Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too.

Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a
Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me.

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Nearly all of us love what Drew has done. It does not matter what he did yesterday, his body of work validates the pedestal we put him on.

In some instances guilt makes us believe that evolving equates to tossing aside and that isn't the case. Because there isn't just one discussion but rather two simultaneously; trying to debate if he should be done, and who the next person is... because of this, I believe that his retirement will be healthy for the fan base.

Its unrealistic to become permanently attached to a player and winning at the same time... One or the other will inevitably deteriorate. :bng:

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The fact that Tom Brady can throw the long ball like he did to close out the 2nd quarter is what opens up the field for everything else. Drew Brees is a legend and first ballot HOF’er and blah, blah, blah but that doesn’t take away from the fact he hasn’t been getting it done and he does have a noodle for an arm. Nobody is saying you have to have the strongest arm in the world, but you do have to be able to keep defenses honest. Brady is still able to do that. Drew Brees was a better version Chad Pennington for these last four years.

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This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.

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Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?

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Or Jimmy Graham?

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We can watch the All 22 film and see him missing guys wide open down the field or short arming throws. Receivers were getting open. He wasn’t making the throws. You can give Drew Brees the same weapons the Bucs had and he still wouldn’t push the ball down the field.

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When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB.

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Another argument that I’ve seen pop up, especially in game day threads, is that his OL is getting him killed. DB#9 has been one of the least sacked QB’s for well over a decade. He’s been fortunate to be on a team that hyper-focuses on his protection, and a team that drafts and pays for that protection. DeShaun Watson on a team that prioritized his protection? Wow, can’t even imagine it. 49 sacks, just this season, is outrageously incompetent. DB#9 doesn’t get sacked that much in two consecutive years, closer to three.

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Nobody ever talks about the fact he’s pretty much had good to elite level offensive lines his entire tenure in New Orleans.

Jamal Brown
Jahri Evans
Carl Nicks
John Stinchcomb
Ryan Ramczyk
Ben Grubbs
Jonathan Goodwin
Max Unger
Terron Armstead

That’s some All-Pro talent we’ve had coming through here.

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Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.

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Indeed. The OLine talent has been Deep. D-line as well for the most part. Both sides of the line have been high priority draft picks for the most part under Payton. D backfield as well.

Linebackers and WRs have been under repped by him conversely. I know there have been a handful here and there, but Inwould have liked to see these positions better regarded IMO.

One more thing about Brees arm strength vs “Receiver” quality I’ll say this. You replace Cook with Travis Kelce, Saints win that game against Tampa. I can’t say the same if you replace Brees with Rodgers.

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Brees gave them almost half of those turnovers. Lol.

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You just love to hate on Brees! So tell me, since you know more than coach Payton, who is your next Saints QB?

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Cook was responsible for at least 1.5 of those himself

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Based on our cap, draft position, and current roster I’d probably say Jameis Winston is the best option moving forward. I like Trey Lance a lot though. I wish he was realistic.

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Winston isn't under contract. What kind of deal would you offer him or better yet, what kind of deal do you think he will want?

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Thomas can't go deep anyway so pot and kettle right there. He's a possession receiver and Drew is super accurate ala the most catches in a season?

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Exactly. Fact is they haven’t had the receiving/TE group to push the ball downfield since Graham left. It’s been a mix of washed up guys like Gin, Sanders, Montgomery, that can’t get the job done.

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I have nothing but respect for you Rez but the way that you talk about Drew feels disrespectful. He has been too good to us to talk about him like that. I respect what he's done for us and it's probably time to ride off into the sunset. Would you call him noodle arm to his face? No. I believe that you're better than that. We've been on the board together for years and I feel like I know you fairly well. All I'm saying is maybe you could just say that he has a very weak arm instead of the disrespectful tone of noodle arm. I agree it's time to move on though. :peace:

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I don't necessarily believe that, Thomas can't help it when Payton changes the offense to aid Drews failing arm.

Coincidence that Thomas caught 150 passes, the year it was noticeable that Brees would not throw deep? I think not. Payton saw the decline and changed the offense to try and help.

Thomas rookie year he ran plenty of deep routes and had some nice catches from them.

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Having all of that talent wouldn't matter if the QB can't get the ball there.

Have you been around long enough to remember the "caliber" of WR/TE Brees used to have when throwing for 5000+ yds? The story used to be Brees could make anyone look good at WR, now apparently he needs all-stars around him.

All those "busted up" players you mentioned had no issues catching balls from other QBs over the last 2 years and winning games. They all have recently been pro-bowl players.

Last point here... Do you believe that if Drew Brees went to the Bucs instead of Brady, they would be in the Superbowl right now?