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B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago
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Mike Thomas throwing Drew under the bus on twitter right now talking about his lack of arm strength. I read if we trade Mike there is like a 20m plus hit so I don't see that as an option. Diva's don't have much longevity under Payton. |
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We all heard about there being an issue with the team and Thomas’s this year but I never thought much of it. I wonder if he’s been unhappy because Payton chose to ride it out with brees instead of making a switch to Jameis.
I honestly understand bogus side of that if it’s the case. Payton isn’t going to bench brees out of respect no matter what, and Thomas wants a Super Bowl. |
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They know how to get a ride out of town cooks is an expert at it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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That’s not at all how I interpreted it. MT just made an observation about coverage when the QB doesn’t throw deep much.
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Same thing take it how u want. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Cooks was right. Thomas is right. Brees shrank in the playoffs for years because his Noodle Arm would get exposed. It’s old news. There’s a reason Payton was trying to get Mahomes. I’m tired of talking about him. I don’t want to hear anything about Brees and the Saints until they induct him into the HOF.
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Thomas has done better with Hill at QB but I dunno. Thomas didnt produce this year for nothing.
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Has Cooks set hall of fame numbers since his departure from the Saints ?
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I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. |
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Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem. Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's. Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped. |
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Watching the Qbs this weekend sling it around with ease made me jealous to not have the same on our roster.
It's a fact Drew's arm has been in decline overall. The offense showed it and defenses capitalized. We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"... |
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We need a new QB who can challenge a defense with more than "accuracy"...
Already on the roster Jameis Winston He can sling it alright, the hell with "accuracy" 76 games 61.4 % comp. 19,812 yds 121 td 88 int . Careful what you wish for. |
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But.... it's evident his time has come to an end. |
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Yeah I think that noodle arm facilitated the record breaking season for MT ... Respect seems to be lacking for a player who did little too distinguish himself on the playing field this year ... his biggest splash was the thrown punch at his TEAM MATE.
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Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me. |
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In some instances guilt makes us believe that evolving equates to tossing aside and that isn't the case. Because there isn't just one discussion but rather two simultaneously; trying to debate if he should be done, and who the next person is... because of this, I believe that his retirement will be healthy for the fan base. Its unrealistic to become permanently attached to a player and winning at the same time... One or the other will inevitably deteriorate. :bng: |
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In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB. That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have. |
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Brady is also able to do this not only because of his arm but because he is playing with three solid healthy receivers and a solid TE. When he was struggling here in NE last season everyone said his arm was shot too. Look what having a good WR cops can do. Brees had a Broken Thomas, a past his prime Sanders and a bum in Cook. You don’t see a difference there?
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Jamal Brown Jahri Evans Carl Nicks John Stinchcomb Ryan Ramczyk Ben Grubbs Jonathan Goodwin Max Unger Terron Armstead That’s some All-Pro talent we’ve had coming through here. |
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Tampa did not make it to the Superbowl just because Brady can throw the ball further than Brees. They made it because of their defense and scoring 41 points off of 7 turnovers in 3 playoff games.
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Indeed. The OLine talent has been Deep. D-line as well for the most part. Both sides of the line have been high priority draft picks for the most part under Payton. D backfield as well.
Linebackers and WRs have been under repped by him conversely. I know there have been a handful here and there, but Inwould have liked to see these positions better regarded IMO. One more thing about Brees arm strength vs “Receiver” quality I’ll say this. You replace Cook with Travis Kelce, Saints win that game against Tampa. I can’t say the same if you replace Brees with Rodgers. |
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Based on our cap, draft position, and current roster I’d probably say Jameis Winston is the best option moving forward. I like Trey Lance a lot though. I wish he was realistic. |
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Thomas can't go deep anyway so pot and kettle right there. He's a possession receiver and Drew is super accurate ala the most catches in a season?
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Coincidence that Thomas caught 150 passes, the year it was noticeable that Brees would not throw deep? I think not. Payton saw the decline and changed the offense to try and help. Thomas rookie year he ran plenty of deep routes and had some nice catches from them. |
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Have you been around long enough to remember the "caliber" of WR/TE Brees used to have when throwing for 5000+ yds? The story used to be Brees could make anyone look good at WR, now apparently he needs all-stars around him. All those "busted up" players you mentioned had no issues catching balls from other QBs over the last 2 years and winning games. They all have recently been pro-bowl players. Last point here... Do you believe that if Drew Brees went to the Bucs instead of Brady, they would be in the Superbowl right now? |
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