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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel ...

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Old 05-04-2021, 08:08 AM   #1
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I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.
Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?
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Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?
Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.
One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.
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One of the silliest things I’ve ever read regarding football.
What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.
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What's that? Can you clarify? Concerning Weis' comment? That's a pretty common perspective by those that know what they are doing and do it for a living.
That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.

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That you don’t consider spending, say a second round pick on a reach CB that other “experts” had rated much lower who produced a grand total of one tackle in his NFL career a blunder/bust/bungle. That’s not just an “Oh well, not every pick hits!” moment. That’s a major screw up. You completely absolve the saints draft process of any responsibility with that attitude. Silliest thing I’ve ever heard re football.

It also amuses me that you are listening to an “expert “ in Weis when he says to not listen to the experts. No irony there 🙄.
Weis is an ex-coach. Big difference from the so-called experts that never spent a minute in the front office in real decision making. Former coaches and GM's consistently downplay the whole draft pre and post evaluations in the media and fanbase.

And, no, I don't call what you mentioned a blunder. It's simply a pick that didn't work out. It happens all the time for one reason or another. Welcome to the real world of NFL football, my friend. You take the bad with the good and move on. Or, you can dwell on the past b!tchin' and moanin' about isolated things that no one else that matters cares in the least about. To me THAT is silly. Your choice.




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Weis is an ex-coach. Big difference from the so-called experts that never spent a minute in the front office in real decision making. Former coaches and GM's consistently downplay the whole draft pre and post evaluations in the media and fanbase.

And, no, I don't call what you mentioned a blunder. It's simply a pick that didn't work out. It happens all the time for one reason or another. Welcome to the real world of NFL football, my friend. You take the bad with the good and move on. Or, you can dwell on the past b!tchin' and moanin' about isolated things that no one else that matters cares in the least about. To me THAT is silly. Your choice.



What you call *****ing and moaning I call reflection and evaluation. Something that all intelligent people, including those in the Saints front office, should do frequently. I know my opinions don’t matter to the front office. But it is part of my enjoyment in watching football and following the Saints.

One could apply your “logic” to investing. Obviously not every stock/bond/property etc. goes well. Do you just blow off the ones that didn’t as “Oh Well, that’s real world” or do you study and try to figure out why it didn’t work out to avoid repeating the same mistakes? Do you research an investment beforehand through “experts” that have failed before, or do you pull a Weis and say “to hell what anyone else says, here is where I’m going to put my money”? I doubt you do, but it would be equally as silly as what the Saints did with Baptiste and likely produce the same tragic results.

You put the Saints draft procedure on a bullet-proof pedestal and refuse to find any fault living in denial. That is of course your right to do. But that is what I find ridiculous.

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