2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

jeanpierre · 05-01-2021, 10:51 PM

New Orleans Saints

Seventh-round selection Kawaan Baker (No. 255) was the Saints' first receiver drafted since 2018 and only the third since 2015! Virtually passing on the position in two straight deep receiver classes reflects Sean Payton's confidence he can scheme up yards out of anyone and puts more pressure than ever on Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara to carry the offense. This is what can happen when your team philosophy is to trade up in the draft early and often.

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spkb25 · 05-02-2021, 01:55 PM

Youre going to be awful this year. And the future looks horrible. The last 4 drafts have now been blundered by sean and company. Whatever ireland brought the first time around hasnt been seen since. Seans back to garbage in garbage out. Davenport is a dud. Remember the Leonard pick a few years back where all the analyst daid we reached harddddd. Remember that guido fellow telling you how you were negative and didnt know anything ? How'd that work out? Surely he is a starter bow or at least a solid backup?

Your team has little talent left, an aging o and d line. No linebackers.

Good luck, youre going to need it.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2021, 03:02 PM

PFF | 2021 NFL Draft grades for all 32 teams

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

R1 (28): EDGE Payton Turner, Houston
R2 (60): LB Pete Werner, Ohio State
R3 (76): CB Paulson Adebo, Stanford
R4 (133): QB Ian Book, Notre Dame
R6 (206): OT Landon Young, Kentucky
R7 (255): WR Kawaan Baker, South Alabama

Day 1: Turner might be the biggest surprise first-round pick thus far. He broke out on a small sample in 2020 against subpar competition with a 90.0 pass-rush grade across four starts but has a coveted physical profile. He’s 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds with 35-inch arms and plays a physical game. Turner is also a versatile piece with impressive bend for his size. It’s a risky bet that could pay off big for the Saints, but there were other directions they should have gone here.

Day 2: Werner possesses a throwback linebacker’s skill set, with a 240-plus-pound frame that can come downhill and lay the wood on whoever he hits. His struggles come with elite athleticism, quickness and fluidity of movement. The word “solid” was made for a player like Werner — the highest PFF grade he ever earned over a single season was just 70.8.

The Saints finally address their biggest need entering the 2021 NFL Draft, taking Stanford cornerback Paulson Adebo. The loss of Janoris Jenkins and the uncertain future of Marshon Lattimore made it a necessity for New Orleans to address the cornerback position at some point in this draft. Adebo’s blend of length and ball skills (24 pass breakups in two seasons) seems best suited for a zone-heavy scheme, making this an interesting fit with the Saints.

Day 3: We had Book down as a seventh-rounder/UDFA — he was the fifth-best QB option available on the PFF draft board. He’s a gamer who made something out of nothing for the Fighting Irish at times, but the arm talent just isn’t there. He was one who had to see it to throw it. His play style got by at the collegiate level, but it’s not going to fly in the NFL.

Draft Grade: C

AsylumGuido · 05-02-2021, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

PFF | 2021 NFL Draft grades for all 32 teams

NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

R1 (28): EDGE Payton Turner, Houston
R2 (60): LB Pete Werner, Ohio State
R3 (76): CB Paulson Adebo, Stanford
R4 (133): QB Ian Book, Notre Dame
R6 (206): OT Landon Young, Kentucky
R7 (255): WR Kawaan Baker, South Alabama

Day 1: Turner might be the biggest surprise first-round pick thus far. He broke out on a small sample in 2020 against subpar competition with a 90.0 pass-rush grade across four starts but has a coveted physical profile. He’s 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds with 35-inch arms and plays a physical game. Turner is also a versatile piece with impressive bend for his size. It’s a risky bet that could pay off big for the Saints, but there were other directions they should have gone here.

Day 2: Werner possesses a throwback linebacker’s skill set, with a 240-plus-pound frame that can come downhill and lay the wood on whoever he hits. His struggles come with elite athleticism, quickness and fluidity of movement. The word “solid” was made for a player like Werner — the highest PFF grade he ever earned over a single season was just 70.8.

The Saints finally address their biggest need entering the 2021 NFL Draft, taking Stanford cornerback Paulson Adebo. The loss of Janoris Jenkins and the uncertain future of Marshon Lattimore made it a necessity for New Orleans to address the cornerback position at some point in this draft. Adebo’s blend of length and ball skills (24 pass breakups in two seasons) seems best suited for a zone-heavy scheme, making this an interesting fit with the Saints.

Day 3: We had Book down as a seventh-rounder/UDFA — he was the fifth-best QB option available on the PFF draft board. He’s a gamer who made something out of nothing for the Fighting Irish at times, but the arm talent just isn’t there. He was one who had to see it to throw it. His play style got by at the collegiate level, but it’s not going to fly in the NFL.

Draft Grade: C

If the Saints targeted Turner they had to take him then. He would not have been there at pick 60. Why take some other player that they have determined is not as desired because of someone else's arbitrary rankings? This is what is so stupid about trying to grade drafts. Grade it three years from now if you wish, but doing it right away is meaningless when based upon the graders own rankings and need determinations which are usually FAR different than that of the ones doing the REAL, informed drafting.

jeanpierre · 05-03-2021, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If the Saints targeted Turner they had to take him then. He would not have been there at pick 60. Why take some other player that they have determined is not as desired because of someone else's arbitrary rankings? This is what is so stupid about trying to grade drafts. Grade it three years from now if you wish, but doing it right away is meaningless when based upon the graders own rankings and need determinations which are usually FAR different than that of the ones doing the REAL, informed drafting.

Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner...

The general consensus is to that effect...

He's admitted in several post draft interviews that he has a type of player for certain positions...

Perhaps he should consider his types and after this most recent draft performance, reevaluating his process of taking over the draft...

AsylumGuido · 05-03-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner...

The general consensus is to that effect...

He's admitted in several post draft interviews that he has a type of player for certain positions...

Perhaps he should consider his types and after this most recent draft performance, reevaluating his process of taking over the draft...

I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.

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vpheughan · 05-04-2021, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.

Don't forget "HIS WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!" HE WAS GIVEN SAGE ADVICE FROM ARCHIE HISSELF!!!"

Boston Saint · 05-04-2021, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way.

As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.

Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?

AsylumGuido · 05-04-2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?

Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more.

So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.

05-01-2021, 10:51 PM	#961
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Twitter New Orleans Saints Seventh-round selection Kawaan Baker (No. 255) was the Saints' first receiver drafted since 2018 and only the third since 2015! Virtually passing on the position in two straight deep receiver classes reflects Sean Payton's confidence he can scheme up yards out of anyone and puts more pressure than ever on Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara to carry the offense. This is what can happen when your team philosophy is to trade up in the draft early and often. iceshack149 likes this.
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05-02-2021, 01:55 PM	#962
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Youre going to be awful this year. And the future looks horrible. The last 4 drafts have now been blundered by sean and company. Whatever ireland brought the first time around hasnt been seen since. Seans back to garbage in garbage out. Davenport is a dud. Remember the Leonard pick a few years back where all the analyst daid we reached harddddd. Remember that guido fellow telling you how you were negative and didnt know anything ? How'd that work out? Surely he is a starter bow or at least a solid backup? Your team has little talent left, an aging o and d line. No linebackers. Good luck, youre going to need it.
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05-02-2021, 03:02 PM	#963
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints PFF \| 2021 NFL Draft grades for all 32 teams NEW ORLEANS SAINTS R1 (28): EDGE Payton Turner, Houston R2 (60): LB Pete Werner, Ohio State R3 (76): CB Paulson Adebo, Stanford R4 (133): QB Ian Book, Notre Dame R6 (206): OT Landon Young, Kentucky R7 (255): WR Kawaan Baker, South Alabama Day 1: Turner might be the biggest surprise first-round pick thus far. He broke out on a small sample in 2020 against subpar competition with a 90.0 pass-rush grade across four starts but has a coveted physical profile. He’s 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds with 35-inch arms and plays a physical game. Turner is also a versatile piece with impressive bend for his size. It’s a risky bet that could pay off big for the Saints, but there were other directions they should have gone here. Day 2: Werner possesses a throwback linebacker’s skill set, with a 240-plus-pound frame that can come downhill and lay the wood on whoever he hits. His struggles come with elite athleticism, quickness and fluidity of movement. The word “solid” was made for a player like Werner — the highest PFF grade he ever earned over a single season was just 70.8. The Saints finally address their biggest need entering the 2021 NFL Draft, taking Stanford cornerback Paulson Adebo. The loss of Janoris Jenkins and the uncertain future of Marshon Lattimore made it a necessity for New Orleans to address the cornerback position at some point in this draft. Adebo’s blend of length and ball skills (24 pass breakups in two seasons) seems best suited for a zone-heavy scheme, making this an interesting fit with the Saints. Day 3: We had Book down as a seventh-rounder/UDFA — he was the fifth-best QB option available on the PFF draft board. He’s a gamer who made something out of nothing for the Fighting Irish at times, but the arm talent just isn’t there. He was one who had to see it to throw it. His play style got by at the collegiate level, but it’s not going to fly in the NFL. Draft Grade: C
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05-02-2021, 06:15 PM	#964
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre PFF \| 2021 NFL Draft grades for all 32 teams NEW ORLEANS SAINTS R1 (28): EDGE Payton Turner, Houston R2 (60): LB Pete Werner, Ohio State R3 (76): CB Paulson Adebo, Stanford R4 (133): QB Ian Book, Notre Dame R6 (206): OT Landon Young, Kentucky R7 (255): WR Kawaan Baker, South Alabama Day 1: Turner might be the biggest surprise first-round pick thus far. He broke out on a small sample in 2020 against subpar competition with a 90.0 pass-rush grade across four starts but has a coveted physical profile. He’s 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds with 35-inch arms and plays a physical game. Turner is also a versatile piece with impressive bend for his size. It’s a risky bet that could pay off big for the Saints, but there were other directions they should have gone here. Day 2: Werner possesses a throwback linebacker’s skill set, with a 240-plus-pound frame that can come downhill and lay the wood on whoever he hits. His struggles come with elite athleticism, quickness and fluidity of movement. The word “solid” was made for a player like Werner — the highest PFF grade he ever earned over a single season was just 70.8. The Saints finally address their biggest need entering the 2021 NFL Draft, taking Stanford cornerback Paulson Adebo. The loss of Janoris Jenkins and the uncertain future of Marshon Lattimore made it a necessity for New Orleans to address the cornerback position at some point in this draft. Adebo’s blend of length and ball skills (24 pass breakups in two seasons) seems best suited for a zone-heavy scheme, making this an interesting fit with the Saints. Day 3: We had Book down as a seventh-rounder/UDFA — he was the fifth-best QB option available on the PFF draft board. He’s a gamer who made something out of nothing for the Fighting Irish at times, but the arm talent just isn’t there. He was one who had to see it to throw it. His play style got by at the collegiate level, but it’s not going to fly in the NFL. Draft Grade: C If the Saints targeted Turner they had to take him then. He would not have been there at pick 60. Why take some other player that they have determined is not as desired because of someone else's arbitrary rankings? This is what is so stupid about trying to grade drafts. Grade it three years from now if you wish, but doing it right away is meaningless when based upon the graders own rankings and need determinations which are usually FAR different than that of the ones doing the REAL, informed drafting. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-03-2021, 07:07 AM	#965
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If the Saints targeted Turner they had to take him then. He would not have been there at pick 60. Why take some other player that they have determined is not as desired because of someone else's arbitrary rankings? This is what is so stupid about trying to grade drafts. Grade it three years from now if you wish, but doing it right away is meaningless when based upon the graders own rankings and need determinations which are usually FAR different than that of the ones doing the REAL, informed drafting. Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner... The general consensus is to that effect... He's admitted in several post draft interviews that he has a type of player for certain positions... Perhaps he should consider his types and after this most recent draft performance, reevaluating his process of taking over the draft...

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05-03-2021, 10:41 AM	#966
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Conversely the same argument could also be made that in light of many of Sean Payton's draft blunders that he ranks players in an arbitrary manner... The general consensus is to that effect... He's admitted in several post draft interviews that he has a type of player for certain positions... Perhaps he should consider his types and after this most recent draft performance, reevaluating his process of taking over the draft... I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way. As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly.
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05-04-2021, 07:39 AM	#968
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way. As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly. Don't forget "HIS WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!" HE WAS GIVEN SAGE ADVICE FROM ARCHIE HISSELF!!!" AsylumGuido likes this.
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05-04-2021, 09:08 AM	#969
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't see the draft blunders. You call them blunders because they do not meet your expectations. The Mel McShays of the world grade a draft on their expectations, not on what the individual team feel about the prospects. That's their opinion. Just like yours is yours. It doesn't make it right. You may like a certain player that they have completely removed from their board for one reason or another. All teams work that way. As for the draft performance, I loved it. It appears that they got the players that they really wanted. They were clearly excited by every pick and moved on them quickly. Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right?

05-04-2021, 10:44 AM	#970
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint Do you honestly not see any draft blunders they have made in the past? You realize that’s YOUR opinion too, right? Nope. Nothing that I would call a blunder. They've had picks that didn't work out. That's just part of the draft process. Now those two times that Minnesota missed getting their picks in on time ... that's what I call a blunder. The Saints may have made picks that some fans and pundits have disagreed with, but to me those are definitely not blunders. As Charlie Weis was saying on NFL Radio about twenty minutes ago, teams don't care in the least about what fans and so called experts have to say about who they draft or when they draft them, nor should they. I couldn't agree more. So, if some fans have a difference of opinion about when or what players were drafted, then fine. That's their right. It however does not make it a "blunder" on the part of the people that are making the picks based upon FAR, FAR, FAR more insight than the detractors.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill