What you call *****ing and moaning I call reflection and evaluation. Something that all intelligent people, including those in the Saints front office, should do frequently. I know my opinions don’t matter to the front office. But it is part of my enjoyment in watching football and following the Saints.

One could apply your “logic” to investing. Obviously not every stock/bond/property etc. goes well. Do you just blow off the ones that didn’t as “Oh Well, that’s real world” or do you study and try to figure out why it didn’t work out to avoid repeating the same mistakes? Do you research an investment beforehand through “experts” that have failed before, or do you pull a Weis and say “to hell what anyone else says, here is where I’m going to put my money”? I doubt you do, but it would be equally as silly as what the Saints did with Baptiste and likely produce the same tragic results.

You put the Saints draft procedure on a bullet-proof pedestal and refuse to find any fault living in denial. That is of course your right to do. But that is what I find ridiculous.

I'm sure the Saints evaluated how Baptiste (and others) turned out and took note and moved on. They all undoubtedly did far more reflection and evaluation than any fan has ever dreamed of doing. But what the Saints, and every other team, does not do is give a flying rat's arse about what any fan or so-called expert has to say. Nor should they.

So those few fans can just continue to stress over some guy named Baptiste while the real world of football moves on.

What I find comical is that some fans see their reflections and evaluations as having some sort of actual value ... much like those stocks you referenced. In what material manner does their reflections and evaluations of those football moves add any value? Personal pleasure of some sort, I get, I imagine. But beyond that? Nada.

You are delusional if you believe I think my opinion matters to the Saints. You’ve brought that up a couple of times now with no basis in fact or evidence to support that claim. I’ve never expressed that belief and it is yet another thing you are wrong about. You are the one who has Demonstrated high praise for their own opinions.

I figured you knew better than believing that your reflecting and evaluating are of any interest to the Saints. Whew! That restores my faith. Then what is the goal of your reflection and evaluation? You eluded to it being something that would value the Saints, but I'm sure you'll agree that they already do far more of that than any of us. Right? How is a fan's dwelling on an individual draft choice from seven years ago relevant today? I'm curious.

How is you talking about you listening to your son play music in the past relevant today? It’s an interesting subject to you. That’s why it is discussed by some. It’s relevant to the subject of this Website and specifically this thread; which is about the Saints draft. That invites comparisons, (good and bad) to drafts in the past.

I have no issue with the discussion. That's what we are doing in case you missed it. I'm just questioning the labeling as blunders and explaining my opinion on why I do not see picks that didn't work out as blunders, but simply as picks that didn't work out. I even pointed out what I WOULD label as a draft blunder. You said the Saints need to reflect and evaluate, and I pointed out that they most certainly do already. Do you not agree? But after that reflection and evaluation I'm sure they move on instead of dwelling on the ones that didn't work.

I’m not sure (I could be wrong of course) that they do, or are capable of, efficiently self-reflecting their draft process. Case in point, you will NEVER convince me that they have efficiently evaluated, drafted, developed the LB position AND they haven’t evaluated their own prioritization of the position and their lack of success in doing so and cost of failure.

Boiling that down, they should have done much better at LB and they haven’t gotten any better in the entire time under Payton. I believe more success there, and a few Vernon Davis type plays don’t happen in the playoffs. So...No, I’m not sure they review their draft mistakes enough.

I'm sure the Saints evaluated how Baptiste (and others) turned out and took note and moved on. They all undoubtedly did far more reflection and evaluation than any fan has ever dreamed of doing.

Why would they take note and evaluate the Baptiste pick? According to you they didn’t make any mistake and the pick shouldn’t be scrutinized because these things happen. Forget and move on! No need to evaluate that descision...or are you crawfishing now and saying the pick WAS bungled?