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Rsanders24 01-28-2021 11:53 AM

Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 
I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense.

Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control.

Boston Saint 01-28-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24 (Post 913575)
I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense.

Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control.

I’m not necessarily anti-Watson, but what exactly is “his magnitude”? I haven’t seen Watson do a thing that Winston can’t/hasn’t done. The idea of giving up multiple draft picks to obtain him is mind-blowing to me !

SaintGnome 01-28-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 913574)
Tom Brady asked for AB and Fournette. He seemed to have a lot of influence on front office moves. Brees was the same way.

Taking the advice of your star player on some personnel moves is not the same thing as demanding input in who runs my team. To me it's not even close.

lee909 01-28-2021 12:10 PM

Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 
Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it.

I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either

Boston Saint 01-28-2021 12:18 PM

Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 913579)
Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it.

I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either

With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time.

lee909 01-28-2021 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 913580)
With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time.

The holes in the team have been exposed there.
The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

Boston Saint 01-28-2021 01:09 PM

Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 
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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 913582)
The holes in the team have been exposed there.
The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

Rugby Saint II 01-28-2021 01:29 PM

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Get under the cap and stay competitive through the draft.

TheOak 01-28-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 913585)
That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options.

Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's. :bng:

blackangold 01-28-2021 03:20 PM

Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 
I don't think Watson is a very good QB, and add to that he plays wild which will lead to injuries.

He has been surrounded by talent at WR for years. Usually they had a solid defense yet they struggle to win games. Watson owns a large portion of that.

In my opinion he hasn't earned the right on the field to decide who is HC or WR should be. Comparing Watson to Brady in this regard is insane.


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