Deshawn Watson.... should we?
 

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I don't think anyone should, and if I'm the Texans I wouldn't. I hate the NBA for letting their players make coaching decisions and I don't want to see the NFL be that way as well.

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No , I say stafford for a one, and there best linebacker[emoji102]


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Can we is the question.

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Saints are 90M+ over the cap with very little flexibility. Gut up almost the entire roster and still be over. DW would be running for his life with back ups & 2nd tier O lineman.

Take another shot at drafting the next Patrick Mahommes in 2021.

I've been wrong before but I just don't see it for Watson happening in New Orleans.

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Kind of like the Buccaneers? :flush:

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How so?

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No. We're in no condition to enter the bidding war that's about to begin.

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Hells No.

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Tom Brady asked for AB and Fournette. He seemed to have a lot of influence on front office moves. Brees was the same way.

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I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense.

Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control.

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I’m not necessarily anti-Watson, but what exactly is “his magnitude”? I haven’t seen Watson do a thing that Winston can’t/hasn’t done. The idea of giving up multiple draft picks to obtain him is mind-blowing to me !

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Taking the advice of your star player on some personnel moves is not the same thing as demanding input in who runs my team. To me it's not even close.

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Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it.

I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either

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With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time.

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The holes in the team have been exposed there.
The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

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That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

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Get under the cap and stay competitive through the draft.

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No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options.

Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's. :bng:

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I don't think Watson is a very good QB, and add to that he plays wild which will lead to injuries.

He has been surrounded by talent at WR for years. Usually they had a solid defense yet they struggle to win games. Watson owns a large portion of that.

In my opinion he hasn't earned the right on the field to decide who is HC or WR should be. Comparing Watson to Brady in this regard is insane.

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If we are looking to acquire a Brees substitute in free agency and continue rotating in Taysom as an extra QB weapon like we did this year with Brees, I have a much cheaper and realistic option than Stafford - Fitzmagic.

Fitzmagic has the pro experience and enough left in his arm. His mileage/hits taken isn't as high because he's been a backup for various parts of his career. He's also never played for an offense or a coach this adept; in fact he's been with a lot of sorry teams.

Could possibly be a Rich Gannon/Raiders type situation where he gives us a peak year or two as a veteran. If we are looking for this kind of a player to fill the Brees void, could do a lot worse.

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I’m 100% certain we’re rolling with Jameis next season.

The Dolphins will trade Tua and multiple high picks for Watson. The 49ers will trade for Stafford.

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The thing with Fitzpatrick is when he’s hot, he’s hotter than the sun but when he’s cold it’s really bad. There’s no happy medium with him

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Is there such an animal in the draft, though? Mahommes is a once in a generation talent. It's incredible only two coaches realized that, Reid and SP.

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“ No, there aren't.“

I guess time will tell won’t it.

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The Texans are a mess and have been for years. Watson would get the nod over Winston simply because he is better at taking care of the ball and wil run to pick up yards. The Bill O’Brien experiment was a disaster.

If it could be done within reason, I would love to see what SP could do with him.

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Possibly …

Jamie Newton or even Mack Jones.

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Converting all these salaries into signing bonuses is great until you get to next year and the year after when the cap hit starts jumping massively and you have no way out from keeping these guys longer term because you have tied yourself into them.

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Maybe Lee. I’m not a cap expert. I’m pretty sure Loomis and company are though.

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They are of course
But we have seen the way the run things, there never really much space. Not that that is a bad thing, the problem is what happened this year wasn't and couldn't be account for, everyone was expected a relatively big jump in cap this year or next. You can see they expected to be able to do it with Brees, Alexander, Cooks contract all being able to open the space.

We will see though.

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And Gronk and others...I think.

How was Brees the same? Is this just your weird hate for the guy or did I miss something?

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Jamie appears to be inaccurate. Mac is a possiblity, but is projected to be drafted earlier by NE.

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Don't forget what's left of Gronk! as well.

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Pushing or asking for players is a whole different ballgame then asking for a GM or head coach.

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Mac has looked really good thus far @ the Senior bowl. If he keeps it up, he could be a top 15 pick.

From his tape at Bama, he can make the NFL throws in very small windows.

Too bad we have no "shot" at Zach Wilson. His pocket presence/awareness extends a lot of drives.

Ahhh, it's draft time again :D.

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I think a lot of the teams with QB needs ahead of us in the draft will be taken care of via trades and free agency. Teams will trade for Watson and Stafford, and I also think the Patriots will make a trade to bring back Jimmy Garoppolo. Mac Jones probably won’t last until our pick, but he’ll be within striking distance with a small trade-up.

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Thank you, that video says what I am saying, there aren't many scenarios that get you under the cap, that video is one scenario with many optional steps.... Listing 30 people to be restructured is not 30 ways to get under the cap lol.

You didn't pay attention to the point where he mentions being $20M under with only 39 players and with no BU QB I might add? That is as you put it "with minimal casualty"?

His train of restructures and releases leaves you $20M under cap with:

No BU QB
No BU Center
12 more players short a full roster
No Practice squad (Yes they fall under the cap)
Free agency
Teams generally like to start a season with around $4M minimum to allow them to fill openings that come from injury.


You over extend your understanding by saying "It can be done with minimal casualty", then call people silly. Once pressed you retreat under an 'I am not a salary cap expert shield'... Proclaiming Loomis is the expert and it is his job. The salary cap is a number and there is no 'salary cap expert', there are only people very good as finding new ways to make things work.

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Payton qb's have to have pocket presence. Stafford ? Winston, if Winston could cut his int's in half could be good, cannon arm and has wheels. Draft?

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Take a chill pill, Oak. I’m not trying to fight with anybody. I never called anyone silly either. I said looking at a 5 Year rebuild plan is silly. I don’t think Payton or Loomis is looking at a 5 year plan. I shared a link to one video detailing a way out of the cap mess everyone says the Saints are in. I watched a different one with Underhill talking about how the Saints have mastered “kicking the can down the road” and he wasn’t as worried about the cap as others. Pardon me.

This thread started about getting Watson or not. I firmly said no primarily on a) not losing needed draft picks and b) not fitting his contract into the team’s cap mess. I’m not saying it’s easy. I’m just saying I don't expect a big collapse that requires a multi-year rebuild plan.

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Interesting thoughts Chris. Taking pulse of fans and media around here, I would surprised if they brought Jimmy G back though. stranger things have happened though.