Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Mostly it's not the stupid stuff he did in college. It's the stupid stuff he did on the field while playing for Tampa. I just can't imagine changing my opinion on the guy I watched twice a year for four years committing stupid mistake after stupid mistake. I respect the Wonderlik but some people takes tests well and still fail in life.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Yes, I see your line of reasoning, but isn’t that more of an immaturity issue as opposed to an intellectual issue. Winston was a 4.0gpa student out of high school. Stanford recruited him, I’ll say that again - STANFORD recruited him. And before anyone makes the allegation that he was a highly touted athlete that Stanford wanted, I’ll remind them that Stanford doesn’t turn on tape of a recruit until that person’s academic portfolio is evaluated.

My guess? Immaturity (in all truthiness it knows no age limit) combined with an atmosphere that enables college athletes to act like Gods, aka they can do what they want and get away with it, is what we have seen in Winston. Not intelligence. I consider myself just of average intelligence, and I’ve not been evaluated by, and admitted to Stanford.

To me, being admitted to Stanford says something wrt a person’s “stupid” level. Immaturity and privilege notwithstanding. Trust me, I understand the argument that he has made some really boneheaded decisions/choices, haven’t we all though, lol. “Stupid” though? I’m not going down that road.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

You make good points. I could just say he makes bad decisions on a regular basis. Can Payton retrain him? We'll see. Like I said, it's hard to pull for someone that you believe is a fool. He may be smart but he's not very sharp.imho I've come around to thinking that Sean may be able to correct his problems. You can't fix stupid is an old saying kind of like hold my beer and watch this.:beer:

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

If he's the best player on the teams list, then yes. Give Winston a chance to prove the job should be his and the rookie the chance to learn the system.

If the problem you end up with is that Winston is playing so well he's keeping a first round draft choice on the bench, do you really have a problem?

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

That's exactly what happened when the Chargers acquired Philip Rivers in the first round (via trade). A guy named Brees stepped it up.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

True. What would they have done if Brees hadn't gotten hurt? They would have had to trade someone. If I remember correctly Brees was an all-pro by this point. Would they have just cut him?

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Kind of off topic but IIRC, Brees wasn't Sean Payton's first choice …

He was actually trying to make a trade for Tony Romo. Sometimes the best decisions are the ones you don't make.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Payton's doing a piss poor job of it then. One's market value doesn't stay down by gushing about the guy's talent and talking about how much you want to sign him.

I certainly hope that folks understand that last year was an internship for Winston. One doesn't hire the intern into the company at the same rate as they were paid for the internship.

Take a look at the cap/cash numbers for QBs in 2020: https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

Of course they are all over the place. But there are a few common buckets:

1. Rookie contracts (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Mayfield)
2. Backups (Shaub, Keenum, McCoy, Daniel)
3. Bridge (Fitzpatrick, Taylor)
4. Veteran starters on 2nd or later contract (pretty much everyone one the list from Prescott down to Bridgewater)

I think I finally figured out that most Saints fans think that Winston is going to end up in category 3 and should be paid as such. I believe that Winston is going to join category 4 with the others. As you can see the salaries and cap numbers for the most part start in the mid $20 millions range.

Unfortunately, I also think that means that the Saints will not be able to retain Winston's services. And I do understand being leery about gambling big money. Indianapolis is literally looking for their 4th QB after Luck retired, Brissett flamed out, and Rivers retired too after paying each of them upwards of $25 million a year.

SFIAH

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Not really a problem, but you are wasting a first round pick on a guy that’s not seeing the field. I’d rather use that first round pick on a CB, LB, WR that has a good chance of playing than a bench warmer. That’s why I don’t think you can commit to Winston and draft a QB first round.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

THE COULD'A WOULD'A SHOULD'A AND WHAT IF wheel.............just keeps turning.

Everyone keeps ignoring SP's keen QB drafting ability. Palko, Canfield and Grayson

All the QB's he's had success with weren't drafted by him.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Well in fairness, Palko was undrafted and Canfield was a 7th rounder. Grayson was a mid third, but many third rounders do not pan out. It’s not like has failed with a first or early second round choice.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Well Ryan Griffin has as many rings as Drew Brees,


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Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I forget to mention he was drafted by Payton also


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Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

That’s both funny and sad !

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I say work a multi team trade for Watson. Trade everyone on the team and get some late draft picks for the following year. We will come in way under the cap and Watson can throw to himself, run, and play defense.
Edit: that’s probably a little unrealistic. We will probably need to trade some of those picks and move up to get a kicker just in case we are in a tight game and down by a field goal.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

They’d need a long snapper too!

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Jameis could snap and the kicker could drop kick.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I practice long snapping in my yard with my twin brother. I never played football but I've got a little speed and some accuracy on the snap. If Coach Payton reads this just send me a PM and we'll get together for tryouts and signing the league minimum contract. :wink:

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I kicked a 25 yard field goal at halftime of a Shreveport Pirates (CFL) game back in 1994 to win a $50 gas card. Maybe we can get a package deal.

:D

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I was wrong on Palko being drafted but.....................
Ryan Griffin (born November 17, 1989) is an American football quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League (NFL). He was signed by the New Orleans Saints as an undrafted free agent in 2013. He played college football at Tulane.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Really? How many QB's HAS PAYTON DRAFTED in the first or early second round?

Ten quarterbacks were selected past the third round in the draft and later went on to win Pro Bowls and even Super Bowls. While their draft positions may have been low, it didn't stop them from being motivated enough to accomplish rare feats in NFL history.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I hate Brady but he is a good example of a late round drafted QB succeeding in the NFL. They are out there. You've just got to have the eye for talent. Personally, I don't think Sean wants a rookie. He seems to like to elevate the play from experienced QB's with potential to grow like Drew....or even Teddy.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Brady wasn't the Pats having a eye for talent. They took a pu t with a late pick and it worked out. If they new how good he could be they'd never ha e risked waiting. Its the same with anyone who turns in a top career from a late pick

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Well, my point is Payton hasn’t had to develop another QB because he has had Brees all this time. If he would have wasted a first or high 2nd round draft pick on a QB and not developed him then it would be a serious strike against him IMO. “Missing” on a Mid third round QB pick isn’t a big deal.

And yes, there have been the Bradys and Wilsons that have had success as third plus round picks. But the league is more full of guys like Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Stafford, Watson, Murray, Jackson, Burrows, etc that are first rounders.

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

I can't argue that!:p

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

Re: Sean Payton wants New Orleans Saints to re-sign QB Jameis Winston 'sooner than later'
 

It's looking like later rather than sooner. :wink: