Liberties are of utmost importance. But so is protecting your fellow man.

While I can't prove masks are 100% effective, you can't prove they're not.

And I guarantee that if this particular virus affected you the same way it does elderly, you'd be screaming for people to take whatever small steps they could to protect YOU. And so would I.

The entirety of Roe vs Wade is built 100% on the premise of: “the government can’t tell me what to do with my body”.

Individual liberties should be unassailable. Along with freedom of movement. I realize constitutional liberties might not be important to some, but to quite a few of us they are, and should not be abused.

BINGO!

Just as I stated, "nobody's going to tell ME what to do". Getting COVID because of not wearing a mask, if it happens, is all on you. However, passing it on to another because you refuse to wear a mask is also on you with far greater ramifications. If that person dies and you were to blame that is something that you'd have to live with.

Trying to justify your hatred of being told what to do with untruths, however, is counterproductive.

The number of “unknowns” still greatly outweigh the number of knowns. Dr Fauci laughed, literally laughed out loud, when asked if regular cotton masks make a difference. Regardless, let’s discuss the current situation. If masks are effective..., then why the demands now to “double” mask and/or triple mask?

It’s much easier to ask ppl to not talk or laugh, lol, which is governmental advice now, lol. How about singing? Nope, can’t do that either.

It’s a power play, an attempt at governmental control over all aspects of our lives. Nothing more..., nothing less.

AG, love you like a fat kid loves chocolate, seriously I do. And I don’t want anybody, including those on this forum, to get ill or injured. But I refuse to allow the government to take away my liberties, bc they are scared and don’t know what’s going on.

I have no hatred towards anybody, nor anything. Or I try not to, lol. Individual liberty should be unassailable. If you’re worried about your health, then triple mask, but that’s on you. If you believe that every otherwise healthy individual should mask just bc, then that’s plainly nonsensical as we will NEVER take masks off again. There is always somebody somewhere with an autoimmune disorder or an oncology patient in chemo, etc... walking around.

You going to wear a mask forever? Or do you just not care about anything other than yourself? See how that argument plays out?

First I will say I do whatever I can to not get/spread the virus. I wear a mask, I haven’t been out to a social situation since last March. I have groceries delivered. I skipped my annual trip south to see my 87 and 84 year old parents, brothers and sister. I have high BP and I am overweight. I do NOT want to get COVID.

That being said, I fully believe that some aspects of this pandemic have been politically motivated and manipulated. No doubt, it is a complex issue with many variables. Therefore, I think references like Tin Hat are counterproductive. There are numerous examples of politicians in positions of power using mask mandates and lockdown orders to apply financial, political, and social media pressure on opponents while they break these very same rules themselves. China, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea and many other countries have the power to run the daily lives of their citizens. I do not want that here.

Freedoms can be eroded easily. I lived in Colombia South America during the 80’s while Escobar was the true power and I’ve seen it. My mother in law (she lived with us for ten years) was born in the former country of Yugoslavia and tells stories about it. I live 3 miles from where the first shots were fired in the Revolutionary war. There is a statue and park there marking the event. The formation of the first government ever to recognize that the power comes from a higher authority than the government itself, that we have God given rights as individuals, is a Precious and rare thing. To dismiss someone who feels they are seeing these rights being taken away as a crazy tin-foil hat wearing person is ignorant and dangerous.

That’s a contradiction though AG. Saying “ don't claim there is some ulterior motive to justify your refusal” and then later say “ Political motives are behind everything to a degree..” is the root point I am making. You just backed me up.