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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by neugey Here's the funny thing - the Colts, the Bucs and now the Rams who seem to be locking into this approach - playoff teams yes, but none of them won their division last year. I'd like ...
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Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...
Kinda like Sean's desperation (e.g. Davenport et al draft day trades, Malcolm Jenkins & Andrus Peat FA signings) could lead to Marcus Williams and Trey Hendrickson's departures - and some teams take advantage?
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre
The hit song Kick'em When They're Up, Kick'em When They're Down" From the band 20 - 20 Hindsight led by Mr. BOLDFONT From His Hit album I DID IT THE RIGHT WAY!!! ![]()
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Personally, I liked the move to go get “the guy we evaluate very highly” wrt Marcus Davenport. That being said, in hindsight, it clearly appears to have been a bad move. That one draft move is not, imho, descriptive of an overall failure in personnel decisions/evaluations.
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre
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Marcus "MINNEAPOLIS MIRACLE" WILLIAMS THREE SPOT HENDRICKSON ever heard of Albert Haynesworth? You can't lose playing this game: Pick a player the Saints "Could've" had at the same time they picked someone else. Watch both players careers then If the "Could've" Example: NICK FOLES has success! Bash the Front Office: OH HOW YOU BASHED THE FRONT OFFICE FOR NOT PICKING HIM UP " You still want him now? After all THAT'S THE "RIGHT WAY" RIGHT? |
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Originally Posted by vpheughan
Agreed, Monday Morning QB’ing on whom “we could have got” is a recipe for disaster. But, I do believe it is fair to look at a player’s portfolio or body of work as a standalone evaluation. For example, in a cost benefit analysis, was the Davenport move a success, based on his body of work comparative to the cost it took to get him? I’d argue no, it wasn’t a successful move. I do agree however that going back and comparing player to player from previous draft’s is a nonsensical argument.
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Originally Posted by gosaints1
We had a stocked roster where one or two players could put us over the top. Payton tends to move up for the players who can fill a role in our system. Quality over quantity! I liked the move because Armstead is so fluid. No one knew he dinged up easily or would tear his Achilles. ![]()
We may take a different draft approach this year and actually trade back to get more ammunition. We need a lot of cheap contracts. |
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
Fully understand, and agree. I also liked the move to go get Davenport, aka the guy we really liked. I can separate the reality of the situation now from the unknowns at the time the draft processes were in action. I won’t beat the coaches up over this one, imho, it was simply an aggressive move to get a guy that had/has tremendous upside..., but just hasn’t worked out well here, so far.
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Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
And yet the 2009 team had lesser talent and won the whole thing...![]()
Quality over quantity, totally agree. But wouldn't it be better to have just one or two elite players and have a number of players at all the positions, than have holes at the end of the season? Name the stacked rosters of the Patriots Championship teams; most won't get past Brady and Gronk; but they were loaded with role players... You gotta have more darts for the draft dart board and you have to have salary cap flexibility, otherwise you can't adjust to get better or, if you've made it, change it up to keep the competition off-balance... |
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Originally Posted by gosaints1
Historically, it has not proven to be a good investment to offer multiple picks to move up, unless a franchise player comes along, like a Mahomes. We've had more.than our fair share of players whom didn't measure up to their draft picks cost. It's not the player's fault , but SP and Loomis for listening and pulling the trigger. With today's salaries , it's simply no longer worth mortgaging a team into salary cap hell. At some point you have to pay the Piper. ![]()
On the other hand, if SP knows the rulebook like BB, then in all likelihood we have another Tiffany or two... And then everything I just said carries less weight. | |
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Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...
Originally Posted by SmashMouth
What's more important Hit on all draft choices and/or hit with and FA or trade? Taysom Hill,Teddy Bridgewater (as I asked What is a WIN worth?) he provided 5 consecutive. Pierre Thomas, Deonte Harris, Marcus Callaway just a few of the FA "HITS"
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