ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL...

dizzle88 · 02-15-2021, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady.

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

Rugby Saint II · 02-15-2021, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype.

AsylumGuido · 02-15-2021, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype.

Or we are simply unlucky as hell. One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours.

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2021, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B

]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours.

You make you own luck my friend.

Rugby Saint II · 02-16-2021, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B

]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours.

You make you own luck my friend.

Boston Saint · 02-16-2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

You make you own luck my friend.

I don’t think the Saints had anything to do with making the luck of the non PI call against the Rams. Just like I don’t the Packers had much to do with making the luck Tampa got against them on the PI call they got late in the NFCCG to clinch the game.

jeanpierre · 02-16-2021, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint;914620[B

]I don’t think the Saints had anything to do with making the luck of the non PI call against the Rams[/B]. Just like I don’t the Packers had much to do with making the luck Tampa got against them on the PI call they got late in the NFCCG to clinch the game.

They were a lot of missed opportunities, coaching and players, that put the team in that position - that's what Rugs means by making your own luck - at least that's my take on his post...

Boston Saint · 02-16-2021, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

They were a lot of missed opportunities, coaching and players, that put the team in that position - that's what Rugs means by making your own luck - at least that's my take on his post...

I get it and understand/and agree with what his meaning is. But saying you make your own luck implies that everything on the field is within your control. That simply is not true and there is an element of injuries or bad calls or weather conditions that fall into this category of “luck” that can’t be controlled. Sure the effort put forth by the players and coaches is the most important thing. But IMO it’s unrealistic (almost arrogant) to think that when going up against another, quality playoff team like Tampa this year or the Rams a few years ago that you can be and perform that much better than the other team that you can take getting screwed by the refs or having an in game injury out of the equation.

Another case in point was the playoff game at the Niners back in 2011 where Pierre Thomas took a head hit, fumbled and Niners got ball deep and scored in first quarter. Thomas is out for game, saints down 7-0 in a game we end up losing by less than a score on a last minute drive. Now, I call it bad luck that Thomas took a borderline dirty hit and left the game. I think this really hurt the Saints in the game. Could they have still won if say, Shanle does anything to stop Vernon Davis...sure they could (and should have). But that doesn’t change the bad luck of having Thomas knocked out just like it was bad luck Harris got knocked out against Tampa just like it was bad luck the refs didn’t call against the Rams. There was nothing the Saints did or didn’t do to make the luck that happened on those plays. But that’s just how I feel.

saintsfan1976 · 02-16-2021, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits.

The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all.

2010 Seattle blindsided us

2011 We spanked the Lions then SF speared Pierre, no flag, we couldn't cover the tight end and basically last team with the ball won.

2013 beat a good eagles team ON THE ROAD then lost by one score to the very good seahawks ON THE ROAD

2017. Last play fluke of historic proportion to an epic defense ON THE ROAD

2018. Rams. yes, the no call but we didn't finish them off

2019. you have an argument here. sloppy but we were missing key starters. credit minnesota's game plan

2020. we handle the bears like we should. Tampa comes in healthy, we're not. We make all the mistakes possible and give the game away from the beginning. Credit tampa's game plan.

So i don't think the saints are "different" in the playoffs. They've won and lost close games.

dizzle88 · 02-16-2021, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

2010 Seattle blindsided us

2011 We spanked the Lions then SF speared Pierre, no flag, we couldn't cover the tight end and basically last team with the ball won.

2013 beat a good eagles team ON THE ROAD then lost by one score to the very good seahawks ON THE ROAD

2017. Last play fluke of historic proportion to an epic defense ON THE ROAD

2018. Rams. yes, the no call but we didn't finish them off

2019. you have an argument here. sloppy but we were missing key starters. credit minnesota's game plan

2020. we handle the bears like we should. Tampa comes in healthy, we're not. We make all the mistakes possible and give the game away from the beginning. Credit tampa's game plan.

So i don't think the saints are "different" in the playoffs. They've won and lost close games.

I think they are extremely different in the playoffs.

We have consistently been a low turnover offense, yet the playoffs come and they turn it over 4 times.

We consistently score redzone TD's in the regular season, yet settle for FG's in the playoffs and let teams hang around.

I see what you are saying, but all I really see are excuses for a team that has never lived up to its potential.

Good teams tackle Diggs in bounds.
Good teams score TD's and don't let the refs miss a call that decides the game.
And good teams do not only barely win against the Eagles in 2018 and Bears in 2020.

Our last 3 exits have all been at home, which dumbfounds me.

02-15-2021, 11:04 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Boston Saint No doubt this is important, but I think a major overlooked factor is the timing of injuries. I don’t think Tampa wins if KC isn’t missing 3 O linemen and I don’t think they beat the Saints if Hill, Murray, Thomas, and Harris are healthy. Tampa had a late bye and got all their pieces healthy at the right moment. Throw in the obvious favoritism the refs gave them during the playoffs and boom, 7 rings for Brady. I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

02-15-2021, 11:45 AM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype. jnormand, dizzle88 and gosaints1 like this.

02-15-2021, 05:54 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II That's what I see too. They like to go through the motions because they think they are so good that they can be winners without really trying. They have bought into the hype. Or we are simply unlucky as hell. One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours. Boston Saint likes this.

02-16-2021, 12:38 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B ]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours. You make you own luck my friend. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido;914601[B ]Or we are simply unlucky as hell.[/B] One team has to lose. When we have been knocked out we haven't been blown out. It has always been a few key plays here or there. There isn't a player on any of those teams that weren't trying their asses off. A team has to lose and it was ours. You make you own luck my friend. jeanpierre likes this.

02-16-2021, 12:55 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II You make you own luck my friend. I don’t think the Saints had anything to do with making the luck of the non PI call against the Rams. Just like I don’t the Packers had much to do with making the luck Tampa got against them on the PI call they got late in the NFCCG to clinch the game. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-16-2021, 01:09 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by Boston Saint;914620[B ]I don’t think the Saints had anything to do with making the luck of the non PI call against the Rams[/B]. Just like I don’t the Packers had much to do with making the luck Tampa got against them on the PI call they got late in the NFCCG to clinch the game. They were a lot of missed opportunities, coaching and players, that put the team in that position - that's what Rugs means by making your own luck - at least that's my take on his post... Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-16-2021, 02:06 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by jeanpierre They were a lot of missed opportunities, coaching and players, that put the team in that position - that's what Rugs means by making your own luck - at least that's my take on his post... I get it and understand/and agree with what his meaning is. But saying you make your own luck implies that everything on the field is within your control. That simply is not true and there is an element of injuries or bad calls or weather conditions that fall into this category of “luck” that can’t be controlled. Sure the effort put forth by the players and coaches is the most important thing. But IMO it’s unrealistic (almost arrogant) to think that when going up against another, quality playoff team like Tampa this year or the Rams a few years ago that you can be and perform that much better than the other team that you can take getting screwed by the refs or having an in game injury out of the equation. Another case in point was the playoff game at the Niners back in 2011 where Pierre Thomas took a head hit, fumbled and Niners got ball deep and scored in first quarter. Thomas is out for game, saints down 7-0 in a game we end up losing by less than a score on a last minute drive. Now, I call it bad luck that Thomas took a borderline dirty hit and left the game. I think this really hurt the Saints in the game. Could they have still won if say, Shanle does anything to stop Vernon Davis...sure they could (and should have). But that doesn’t change the bad luck of having Thomas knocked out just like it was bad luck Harris got knocked out against Tampa just like it was bad luck the refs didn’t call against the Rams. There was nothing the Saints did or didn’t do to make the luck that happened on those plays. But that’s just how I feel. AsylumGuido and jeanpierre like this.
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02-16-2021, 03:46 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by dizzle88 I agree on the injury and reffing front in terms of in the playoffs and vs KC. However, regardless of our Injury Status, I've seen this team come out flat in 4 straight playoff exits. The playoff saints are a different team. Everything we do well during the regular season, inexplicably becomes a weakness in the playoffs and they look like they don't want to be there. No fire at all. 2010 Seattle blindsided us 2011 We spanked the Lions then SF speared Pierre, no flag, we couldn't cover the tight end and basically last team with the ball won. 2013 beat a good eagles team ON THE ROAD then lost by one score to the very good seahawks ON THE ROAD 2017. Last play fluke of historic proportion to an epic defense ON THE ROAD 2018. Rams. yes, the no call but we didn't finish them off 2019. you have an argument here. sloppy but we were missing key starters. credit minnesota's game plan 2020. we handle the bears like we should. Tampa comes in healthy, we're not. We make all the mistakes possible and give the game away from the beginning. Credit tampa's game plan. So i don't think the saints are "different" in the playoffs. They've won and lost close games. neugey and Boston Saint like this.

02-16-2021, 05:42 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: ARE WE SEEING THE NEW NFL... Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 2010 Seattle blindsided us 2011 We spanked the Lions then SF speared Pierre, no flag, we couldn't cover the tight end and basically last team with the ball won. 2013 beat a good eagles team ON THE ROAD then lost by one score to the very good seahawks ON THE ROAD 2017. Last play fluke of historic proportion to an epic defense ON THE ROAD 2018. Rams. yes, the no call but we didn't finish them off 2019. you have an argument here. sloppy but we were missing key starters. credit minnesota's game plan 2020. we handle the bears like we should. Tampa comes in healthy, we're not. We make all the mistakes possible and give the game away from the beginning. Credit tampa's game plan. So i don't think the saints are "different" in the playoffs. They've won and lost close games. I think they are extremely different in the playoffs. We have consistently been a low turnover offense, yet the playoffs come and they turn it over 4 times. We consistently score redzone TD's in the regular season, yet settle for FG's in the playoffs and let teams hang around. I see what you are saying, but all I really see are excuses for a team that has never lived up to its potential. Good teams tackle Diggs in bounds. Good teams score TD's and don't let the refs miss a call that decides the game. And good teams do not only barely win against the Eagles in 2018 and Bears in 2020. Our last 3 exits have all been at home, which dumbfounds me. jeanpierre, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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