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The Dude 03-04-2021 01:22 PM

Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
Si estamos dispuestos a ceder tres primeros y un jugador para llevarse a Seattle, ¿hasta qué punto podríamos llegar en el draft si los cambiamos por selecciones?

AsylumGuido 03-04-2021 01:37 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 915494)
Si estamos dispuestos a ceder tres primeros y un jugador para llevarse a Seattle, ¿hasta qué punto podríamos llegar en el draft si los cambiamos por selecciones?

You know what you would be getting in Russell Wilson. There is no way to know if those picks would result in anything as worthy.

Más vale pájaro en mano que ciento volando.

Boston Saint 03-04-2021 01:58 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
In fairness, you cant claim you know what you are getting in Wilson. How many Jason Byrd or Coby Fleener or A Peterson type players have resulted in poor signings for the Saints and countless other teams? For every Brees or Brady that was signed as a FA QB that worked out there are the Walshes, Tebows, Castles, Keenum etc that didn’t. Just like your crapshoot idea, you have know way of knowing “exactly” (your word) how Wilson will pan out.

saintfan 03-04-2021 02:00 PM

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Google translate would like to thank OP for this here thread...

saintsfan1976 03-04-2021 02:13 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 915501)
In fairness, you cant claim you know what you are getting in Wilson. How many Jason Byrd or Coby Fleener or A Peterson type players have resulted in poor signings for the Saints and countless other teams? For every Brees or Brady that was signed as a FA QB that worked out there are the Walshes, Tebows, Castles, Keenum etc that didn’t. Just like your crapshoot idea, you have know way of knowing “exactly” (your word) how Wilson will pan out.

Bro. You can't compare any of those names with Russell Wilson. We're not talking about one year wonders or running backs in decline. We're talking Elite QB vs Disowned QB with a history of poor choices on and off the field.

Who would you expect to perform better?

The Dude 03-04-2021 02:51 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
Yo! In mah opahnahon Wahlson ahs tao old ta ahnvest dat much capahtal. I would radar roll wahth Wahnstan a' see what da draft has ta offer. Ah be baaad... We wahll lahkely lose a key player or two as we try a' get under da cap ayway. Slap mah fro! nah need ta lose mo. I wouldn’t be surprahsed ahf we part ways wahth Thomas though.

Boston Saint 03-04-2021 02:56 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

The Dude 03-04-2021 07:37 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 915515)
Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

I agree with this 100%. If we give up Ram or even Armstead for him he would be in the same situation he’s trying to get out of. He’s also over 30 and mobile. 3 years ago maybe but for all we know Winston could wind up being comparable. Have a feeling Thomas is gone come draft day anyway.

SmashMouth 03-05-2021 01:05 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 915494)
Si estamos dispuestos a ceder tres primeros y un jugador para llevarse a Seattle, ¿hasta qué punto podríamos llegar en el draft si los cambiamos por selecciones?

Why does it have to be picks to begin with?

Trade them Peat, Armstead, and whoever else is equivalent to a #1 draft pick. Might help us with the cap too.

I believe they DO have Popeyes in Seattle...

subguy 03-05-2021 01:07 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
claro que si

K Major 03-05-2021 01:12 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 915558)
Why does it have to be picks to begin with?

Trade them Peat, Armstead, and whoever else is equivalent to a #1 draft pick. Might help us with the cap too.

I believe they DO have Popeyes in Seattle...

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iceshack149 03-05-2021 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 915559)
claro que si


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saintsfan1976 03-05-2021 02:43 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 915515)
Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

That's a valid point. I guess Wilson could come in and be the opposite of who's he's been his entire life. It's probably more likely that Winston will continue to be the boom/bust player he's been.

As far as players go, look I'm not concerned about losing 2 key people OR picks if we bring Wilson in. Look at what he's accomplished in Seattle with a porous line and basically one WR.

As with any signing you must weigh the risk and for me Russel Wilson is worth whatever we lose compared to what we gain over the next 6-7 years.

ChrisXVI 03-05-2021 05:45 PM

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Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton.

AsylumGuido 03-05-2021 08:15 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 915566)
Don’t trade for Russell. That talk is freaking absurd. Has Payton not taught people yet that he can win without Brees?! Our backup TE had a winning record starting at QB under Payton.

Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him.

saintsfan1976 03-06-2021 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 915569)
Of course each team he faced sucked, including the won that beat him.

Yep

Taysom beat the lowly Falcons twice on two rushing TDs and zero passing TDs.

Wins in Denver against a team with no QB by throwing just 16 times.

I won't hang the Eagles loss on him, it was a typical Saints letdown.

I didn't come away with the impression Taysom is the QB of the future.

Rugby Saint II 03-07-2021 04:26 PM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Wilson
 
Dios Mio!

TheOak 03-08-2021 06:48 AM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 915515)
Maybe so. But my point is giving up three plus picks/players for Wilson and seeing him not live up to what he’s done before is similar to signing the guys I mentioned for no picks and having them not live up to what they’ve done before. If three picks and Thomas or an O lineman is what it takes to get him then who is going to block/catch for him? He had Metcalf and more solid receivers to throw to last year in Seattle. Why would he do better with what the saints have now minus three years of first round picks?

That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat.

Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit. :bng:

Boston Saint 03-08-2021 07:18 AM

Re: Question about hypothetical trade for Winston
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 915627)
That is distinction without difference as the premise stands for all players and teams year over year including our own players. As much is known about next year Wilson as next year Brees or Peat.

Pono ʻoe e makaʻu iā ia no ka biscuit. :bng:

Fair enough about the regression. And I wouldn’t expect any regression from Wilson if obtained. However, if three picks and Thomas or Ram are used to get him, I worry about who he throws too and/or blocks for him. Wilson had two receivers in Metcalf and Locket that were better than anything the saints had last year and he was unhappy. Having less targets couldn’t help out.


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