Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring

Rugby Saint II · 03-15-2021, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Cap management is a silly game based on how it's structured. It is what it is. I'm still glad we have it. It benefits smaller market teams bigly.

Especially small market teams that are willing to write blank checks and push the cap forward to grow(in past years). Gail Benson, much like Tom later in life doesn't mind writing checks for the team to do well.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2021, 06:57 PM

[quote=gosaints1;916247]

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

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1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless.

2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do.

“One of the things I am most proud of from my time in Green Bay is resisting temptation to play the “prorate/push out” cap game with Brett Favre. I learned from what I had seen at that time around the league, noting huge dead-money charges when franchise quarterbacks separated, including John Elway, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, Steve McNair and more. I knew at some point we would not have Brett; I did not want to burden the future front office and the future quarterback (who turned out to be Aaron Rodgers) with a $20-plus million cap charge for someone not there. Brett was ultimately traded with a final dead-money charge to the team of $600,000. Sorry for the not-at-all-humble brag, but you get my point.”

Apparently you haven’t learned enough from Mr. Brandt.

I have have read pretty much everything Brandt has said. He knows his stuff. I am in no way defending the strategy of playing the cap out into the future. I was responding to your claim that we were paying players for not playing. In that you were wrong. We are simply suffering the effects of prorated payments spread into future periods. Yes, of course. That is the payback. Nobody is disputing that.

What I was disputing is your claiming that that cap was going towards a player not earning it. That is absolutely wrong.

1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless.

Where do you want to meet for me to show you documented proof? What me to post my diploma here? Any other proof I need to post here for your satisfaction? What is your problem. You constantly dog me. What is your problem?

2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do.

To the best of my knowledge two individuals have blocked me. Is that many?

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2021, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Especially small market teams that are willing to write blank checks and push the cap forward to grow(in past years). Gail Benson, much like Tom later in life doesn't mind writing checks for the team to do well.

Those checks were written while Tom was alive. They are just now hitting the books.

gosaints1 · 03-15-2021, 07:07 PM

[quote=AsylumGuido;916252]

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I have have read pretty much everything Brandt has said. He knows his stuff. I am in no way defending the strategy of playing the cap out into the future. I was responding to your claim that we were paying players for not playing. In that you were wrong. We are simply suffering the effects of prorated payments spread into future periods. Yes, of course. That is the payback. Nobody is disputing that.

What I was disputing is your claiming that that cap was going towards a player not earning it. That is absolutely wrong.

1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless.

Where do you want to meet for me to show you documented proof? What me to post my diploma here? Any other proof I need to post here for your satisfaction? What is your problem. You constantly dog me. What is your problem?

2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do.

To the best of my knowledge two individuals have blocked me. Is that many?

I have no way of factually knowing how many have blocked you..., if you say two, then two it was. It’s three now.

AsylumGuido · 03-15-2021, 07:11 PM

[quote=gosaints1;916256]

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have no way of factually knowing how many have blocked you..., if you say two, then two it was. It’s three now.

Truth hurts, huh?

SmashMouth · 03-16-2021, 12:24 AM

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TheOak · 03-16-2021, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

$19M+ in dead money would like to have a conversation with you. I’m just not a fan of paying ppl not to do work for me, but to each their own. >10% of our cap allocation is on players not on our roster.

They aren’t on your roster because you removed them, that’s your problem and not theirs.

Dead money is not ‘paying people that aren’t working’, it’s deferring the recognition of their sunk cost.

Cruize · 03-16-2021, 10:47 AM

It's hard to believe such a blatant move to subvert the cap is allowed. And on a side note, the QB position is now the most over valued position in sports.

AsylumGuido · 03-16-2021, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

It's hard to believe such a blatant move to subvert the cap is allowed. And on a side note, the QB position is now the most over valued position in sports.

Tampa Bay just did basically the same thing with Tom Brady's contract to free up over $19 million in 2021 cap. I doubt the league would have any objections to maneuvering around the dreaded "COVID Cap of 2021".

gosaints1 · 03-16-2021, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

They aren’t on your roster because you removed them, that’s your problem and not theirs.

Dead money is not ‘paying people that aren’t working’, it’s deferring the recognition of their sunk cost.

I never said it was a player’s problem, I’ve always said it was an organizational problem. Pretty sure the Eagles are paying Wentz $34M to play somewhere else. Our players are no different. We’ll soon, post 6/1, be above that amount wrt “dead money”.

It’s simple:

1) Dead Money Players are no longer with the organization.

2) The organization is still paying them.

Say it’s for past work, say it’s for future work, say it’s for helping little old ladies across the street, say it’s for going to church, say it’s for defending daylight savings time, say it’s for enjoying wine instead of beer..., I don’t care what each of us say it’s for, bc the dogmatic truth is:

1 & 2 above are facts, unassailable.

03-15-2021, 06:55 PM	#21
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring Originally Posted by SmashMouth Cap management is a silly game based on how it's structured. It is what it is. I'm still glad we have it. It benefits smaller market teams bigly. Especially small market teams that are willing to write blank checks and push the cap forward to grow(in past years). Gail Benson, much like Tom later in life doesn't mind writing checks for the team to do well.

03-15-2021, 06:57 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring [quote=gosaints1;916247] Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ... 1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless. 2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do. “One of the things I am most proud of from my time in Green Bay is resisting temptation to play the “prorate/push out” cap game with Brett Favre. I learned from what I had seen at that time around the league, noting huge dead-money charges when franchise quarterbacks separated, including John Elway, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Dan Marino, Steve McNair and more. I knew at some point we would not have Brett; I did not want to burden the future front office and the future quarterback (who turned out to be Aaron Rodgers) with a $20-plus million cap charge for someone not there. Brett was ultimately traded with a final dead-money charge to the team of $600,000. Sorry for the not-at-all-humble brag, but you get my point.” Apparently you haven’t learned enough from Mr. Brandt. I have have read pretty much everything Brandt has said. He knows his stuff. I am in no way defending the strategy of playing the cap out into the future. I was responding to your claim that we were paying players for not playing. In that you were wrong. We are simply suffering the effects of prorated payments spread into future periods. Yes, of course. That is the payback. Nobody is disputing that. What I was disputing is your claiming that that cap was going towards a player not earning it. That is absolutely wrong. 1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless. Where do you want to meet for me to show you documented proof? What me to post my diploma here? Any other proof I need to post here for your satisfaction? What is your problem. You constantly dog me. What is your problem? 2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do. To the best of my knowledge two individuals have blocked me. Is that many?
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03-15-2021, 07:06 PM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Especially small market teams that are willing to write blank checks and push the cap forward to grow(in past years). Gail Benson, much like Tom later in life doesn't mind writing checks for the team to do well. Those checks were written while Tom was alive. They are just now hitting the books.

03-15-2021, 07:07 PM	#24
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring [quote=AsylumGuido;916252] Originally Posted by gosaints1 I have have read pretty much everything Brandt has said. He knows his stuff. I am in no way defending the strategy of playing the cap out into the future. I was responding to your claim that we were paying players for not playing. In that you were wrong. We are simply suffering the effects of prorated payments spread into future periods. Yes, of course. That is the payback. Nobody is disputing that. What I was disputing is your claiming that that cap was going towards a player not earning it. That is absolutely wrong. 1) Neither our education level nor our career field is important to the discussion. Neither can be verified here, and frankly I doubt you would be authentic regardless. Where do you want to meet for me to show you documented proof? What me to post my diploma here? Any other proof I need to post here for your satisfaction? What is your problem. You constantly dog me. What is your problem? 2) Anyone with an ethnic slur as their forum tag shouldn’t have such thin skin, or whine when someone “offends” them. You’ve attacked others so often here that many have completely blocked you. Attacking others is what you do. To the best of my knowledge two individuals have blocked me. Is that many? I have no way of factually knowing how many have blocked you..., if you say two, then two it was. It’s three now.
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03-15-2021, 07:11 PM	#25
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring [quote=gosaints1;916256] Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have no way of factually knowing how many have blocked you..., if you say two, then two it was. It’s three now. Truth hurts, huh?

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03-16-2021, 05:14 AM	#27
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring Originally Posted by gosaints1 $19M+ in dead money would like to have a conversation with you. I’m just not a fan of paying ppl not to do work for me, but to each their own. >10% of our cap allocation is on players not on our roster. They aren’t on your roster because you removed them, that’s your problem and not theirs. Dead money is not ‘paying people that aren’t working’, it’s deferring the recognition of their sunk cost. AsylumGuido likes this.

03-16-2021, 10:47 AM	#28
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring It's hard to believe such a blatant move to subvert the cap is allowed. And on a side note, the QB position is now the most over valued position in sports.
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03-16-2021, 11:57 AM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring Originally Posted by Cruize It's hard to believe such a blatant move to subvert the cap is allowed. And on a side note, the QB position is now the most over valued position in sports. Tampa Bay just did basically the same thing with Tom Brady's contract to free up over $19 million in 2021 cap. I doubt the league would have any objections to maneuvering around the dreaded "COVID Cap of 2021".

03-16-2021, 12:43 PM	#30
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Taysom Hill creates $7.75 million in cap space with special accounting restructuring Originally Posted by TheOak They aren’t on your roster because you removed them, that’s your problem and not theirs. Dead money is not ‘paying people that aren’t working’, it’s deferring the recognition of their sunk cost. I never said it was a player’s problem, I’ve always said it was an organizational problem. Pretty sure the Eagles are paying Wentz $34M to play somewhere else. Our players are no different. We’ll soon, post 6/1, be above that amount wrt “dead money”. It’s simple: 1) Dead Money Players are no longer with the organization. 2) The organization is still paying them. Say it’s for past work, say it’s for future work, say it’s for helping little old ladies across the street, say it’s for going to church, say it’s for defending daylight savings time, say it’s for enjoying wine instead of beer..., I don’t care what each of us say it’s for, bc the dogmatic truth is: 1 & 2 above are facts, unassailable.
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