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More white supremacy. When will this end? The amount of systemic racism in the NFL is off the charts, that is why you see all these black athletes having problems. BLM damnit

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This.

If he's rolling with bangers, then he's going to get implicated in something illegal at some point. Maybe he gets off the hook on this, but how long until he's under investigation again for something else?

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I guess we all should slow down a bit and let things play out. Likely Gotohell will come down on him like a ton of bricks, but maybe things won’t play out so bad.

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We'll probably lose a draft pick over this. :roll:

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lol, nothing wound surprise me. I am curious to see if the NFL’s personal conduct policy will be tested here though.

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More concerned the league suspension over legal issues.
The rich and famous run on a whole different legal system to the rest of us

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Well about Aaron Hernandez , exactly what I were thinking. Were they on the way to wack somebody., omg just saying we don’t no who he really is what’s his beef with that type of crowd? I’m just shaken by this.


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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...understanding/

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Probably should be concerned with the behavior and poor choices.

Oooop lost myself again. No such thing as bad choices by black athletes. You should be concerned with the systemic racism that forced a millionaire to carry a stolen handgun. The white supremacy never stops. BLM damnit. Kneel for the anthem as a sign of repect.

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This act has been seen far to many times. When you consider the reputation and question of charter that will follow him and no doubt have an significant impact on his career regardless of his talent. It is hard to understand why and individual would put everything at risk but he obviously had his street creed as one of his priorities.

Self inflicted whatever the outcome but very unlikely “just a misunderstanding”.

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Guilty until proven innocent.

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Seems to be the case nowadays in this world. Though he should keep with better company

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The better company part is something lost in the Will Smith situation.

Will this affect his contract negotiations ?

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Fully understand the philosophical debate re: presumed innocence before being labeled guilty as charged, and how damning that mindset could be. I completely understand that, and agree with you.

But what we’re missing is the NFL’s completely arbitrary “personal conduct policy”. And an innocent criminal verdict, heck, even if he isn’t prosecuted, doesn’t necessarily weigh into that calculus. Goodell can punish regardless of criminality. Through the CBA, players have given the commish carte blanche to do as he wills, outside of appeals, re: “personal conduct”.

I doubt that dynamic is foreign to those who fall under the shield.

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I agree. Even if he’s guilty as long as it doesn’t affect his play I don’t care. Hopefully he realizes what happens when you don’t think about what happens when you don’t watch the company you keep. If it means he’s cheaper and he learns from it I’m ok with it.
When the dust settles and we find out there’s more too it I may change my mind but as of right now I’m keeping an open mind.

I took a chance and hired a kid who had recently been charged with a firearms violation of some sort. He was in a car with a guy who was a felon in possession of a gun. Can’t remember all the details but he was looking at jail time and the judge gave him diversion contingent on him keeping steady employment. He had no real direction and just needed a job, wasn’t thinking about a career. I hired him as a dishwasher and after 4 years he was managing the front of house. Never missed a day, never late, drawer never came up short. He later told me that working with me saved his life. Why? It wasn’t me, it was because of the culture I created in the place. He was surrounded by good employees who wanted him to succeed but would also hold him accountable. He quickly figured out that if he worked hard and bought into that culture he would have the same chance for advancement as everyone else.
He came in looking for a paycheck and left with all the skills he needed to have a great career. He’s now managing one of the more well known restaurants in the city.
Apples and oranges maybe, but experiences like this can change a person. I believe our locker room is the best place for him if he deserves a second chance.

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I get what your saying about Godhell and with his favorites, like ray rice and rapistberger to name a couple but I thought that what the players association was for, as a sorta checks and balance

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Prolly to a certain extent. Especially if he can’t help himself and still wants to hang around with the wrong crowd

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Correct AG ... In the legal system ... In court of public opinion and the halls of corporations just the simple fact that he was there/present and in direct association with the mentioned individuals weather personally in possession of the stolen weapon will result in collateral damage. Right or wrong.

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Smith gives in too easily to the NFL's demands. They need stronger Leadership.

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Here's a good article on the Lattimore situation from Canal St. Chronicles writer, Chris Dunnells, who also happens to be an attorney.

A lawyer’s take on the charges against Marshon Lattimore

Here are my thoughts on the Lattimore incident.

By Chris Dunnells@ChrisDunnells Mar 29, 2021, 8:00am CDT 4 Comments

Just like the coronavirus pandemic made everyone on social media suddenly an expert in infectious diseases, there are a lot of “Twitter attorneys” out there any time anything in the legal world becomes news.

With the news Friday that New Orleans Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore was arrested in Cleveland, it’s a unique moment where my two worlds - my job as an attorney and my role writing about the Saints - intersect. So here are my thoughts, as both a lawyer and a Saints fan, on the Lattimore news after taking the weekend to digest all of the information out there.

When the news first hit that Lattimore was arrested for possession of stolen property, my very first thought was “gun.” This isn’t necessarily because the arrest was done by the Cleveland gang unit, but rather because of the nature of the crime involved. That’s one of the reasons I put the thought of a gun out there as the “stolen property” at issue before the news actually broke on this point.

So let’s look at all of the facts, make predictions about what happens next, and talk about both the big picture for the Saints and the specific ramifications for Marshon Lattimore.

What are the crimes Lattimore has been charged with?

The first crime that Lattimore was reported as having been charged with was receiving stolen property under Ohio Revised Code (“ORC”) 2913.51.

This law makes it illegal for a person to “receive, retain, or dispose” of property that the individual knew - or had “reasonable cause to believe” - that the property was stolen. This is collectively called “receiving stolen property,” even if the person charged with the crime wasn’t in the act of actually “receiving” it, but was rather simply “retaining” it (meaning it was just in their possession).

But let’s look at the ‘knew or had reasonable cause to believe the property was stolen’ language. Rarely will you have definitive proof a person knows something is stolen. They will basically never admit to knowing something was stolen, and finding text messages or something of the sort that says, “I know this is stolen” is only true in crime TV shows. Instead, a prosecutor is able to prove that a person is guilty of “receiving stolen property” not because the person had actual knowledge of it being stolen, but rather that they had “reasonable cause to believe” it was.

What does this mean? It means that there are some set of facts which exist that, a prosecutor could argue, should make a person believe property was stolen. Let’s think through an example.

In one scenario, you’re going to buy a used car, so you go to the used car lot and the salesperson has the title in-hand ready to sign over to you, two sets of car keys, and a Carfax history report of the car if you’re willing to pay the $10,000 listing price. Nothing fishy there, right? Now in scenario two let’s instead say you find a similar $10,000 car on Facebook marketplace, but the buyer is asking for $3,000. He’s insistent the payment be made in cash, he’s said he lost the title, and he doesn’t have keys, but instead there’s a screwdriver jammed into the ignition that’s used to turn the car on and off.

You can see now there are potential red flags surrounding this second example that should give a reasonable person pause.

Basically, the reason the law says “reasonable cause to believe” is because the law doesn’t want someone to purposefully turn a blind eye to a whole bunch of potential red flags and let them escape criminal liability by simply saying, “Well, no one ever told me it was stolen...” Maybe not, but you should have known it was.

The reason I thought the property involved could be a gun is because, like with a car, there are a lot of potential red flags that could come up during the purchase or acquisition of a handgun. I’m making up facts here and not saying these applied to Lattimore’s case, but maybe the handgun was purchased for a price far below market value. Maybe the seller didn’t run a background check and fill out all of the transfer paperwork required by law. Maybe the serial number was filed off. Those are all just examples, but there is potentially some set of facts out there that make the prosecutor think Lattimore should have had reason to question whether the gun in his possession was stolen.

The second charge against Lattimore is far simpler to explain. He was charged with “failure to notify” under ORC 2923.12(B)(1), which requires a person to promptly notify a law enforcement officer that he or she is carrying a concealed fireman if stopped by police for “a law enforcement purpose.” Basically, in Ohio, if you’re carrying a gun and get stopped by police, you have to promptly notify the officer of the fact that you’re lawfully exercising your right to conceal-carry. Lattimore allegedly did not. You might be asking yourself what exactly “promptly” means under this statute, and if you are, bonus points to you! You’re thinking like a lawyer! Under Ohio law, “[w]hile “promptly” does not mean immediately, it is pretty close.” State v. Lyle, 161 N.E.3d 718 (Ohio 2020).

What are the potential criminal punishments?

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That’s a great story Dude, I would love to shake your hand one day. I’ve hired troubled kids to wash aircrafts; gave them responsibility and helped them get degrees them same kids still thank me today, it’s a great feeling


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Here, I corrected it.

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Damn police gangs.

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Maybe we could trade Lattimore for Watson. Possibly we throw in Taysom. Given the history than Roethlisberger, Kobe, Vick, Burress, AB, Hunt, Tyreek, etc all played in the NFL again, odds are that both Lattimore and Watson play in the NFL again, possibly after missing a year or so. More money is locked up in Watson but if he gets his act together and stops looking for happy endings he is a top QB. We could try Winston this year and if he turns everything around we can cut Watson loose, but if Winston stays wild, Watson is a better version. Meanwhile for the Texans, Taysom and Tyrod can play in a similar offensive style, Taysom can sell tickets, and Lattimore gives them the appearance of return for trading away Watson since they were taken in similar positions in the same draft.

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I have a feeling Lattimore misses no more than a game or two, if any at all. The rest of your scenario is fantasy. Just sayin'.

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Maybe. But Plaxico did jail time and missed a season for a gun, so who knows. Fricken Martha Stewart did jail time for accepting a stock tip, you never know whether a celeb will get a slap on the wrist of be made an example of. My issue with Lattimore is I feel he plays when he feels like it. Elite talent with wavering motivation. We don't know who misses more time for sure, but we know Watson plays the more valuable position, which tends to have longer career, and has played more consistently.

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The difficulty is that even on his "off days," he's still better than past Saints DB's. But I do agree with the motivation point and I believe Latt even said it himself in 2018.

Its frustrating because he can be such a great player but only shows up now and again. Like he'll get in Mike Evans head and make him drop 3 passes, but then gets burnt by guys like Hunter freaking Renfrow and Adam Lazard.

Good player, not worth elite money.

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No way in the world we could risk trading for QB Watson. Goodell would put the ban hammer on him for sure if he's a Saint.

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We'll definitely be drafting CB at No 1 !

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Plaxico discharged a gun in public and accidently shot himself in the leg. Different circumstances.

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The police have gangs? Blue blood crypts?

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“How much weed are you smoking bro? You been smoking all day?”

I knew it.

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Officers went above and beyond making sure everyone in the car was comfortable and didn’t feel threatened. Wish more officers were like that.

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I agree 100 percent. It might have been a totally diferent outcome in most parts of the South.

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