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... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

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This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

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K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet?

They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old.

Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!!

I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job.

Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time.

None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong.

Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team.

But it's all just speculation on both sides right now.

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^^^^

IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021.

He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve.

If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season.

Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard.

By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man.

Que, sera sera.

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Facts. He could have easily gone to Chicago or Washington and started.

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In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

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Agreed. I'm personally not sold on him as our future, but to label Winston as trash because of his interception total for one season is ridiculous. The same year he had the 30 picks he also led the entire league in yardage (5109) and was second in TD's (33) to only Lamar Jackson's 36.

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Before he came here I thought he was trash. Now that he's a Saint I'm supposed to give him a pass with no more information? Not happening. I have backed off of my inflammatory statements toward him. Actually, I think he gives us the best chance of winning this season. I have my reservations but I believe he has earned a second chance. Lord help us!

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If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28.

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Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.