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I was dressed in my Saints gear and a young man asked me how many game we would win. I firmly said 10-6 forgetting we have an extra game now. I'll reevaluate that at 11-6 or 10-7 after we see the players at training camp. I want to be an optimist like Guido and say 17-0 but neither my heart or head says we will be better now that Drew retired and we lost good starters as well as depth on both sides of the ball.

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Youre going to be a lot worse than you think. Blame will be pegged at Drew's retirement but it is the loss of so many others. You wont make the playoffs

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Compared to last year, we will be missing a HOF QB, our sack leader, our leaders in receiving yards at the WR and TE positions, our #2 CB, and probably our #1 CB also for some or all of the season. Michael Thomas should come back fully healthy, we hope, but nothing is guaranteed when a receiver can't stay healthy all year, and comes back to a new QB, lack of a credible #2 option, and double teams, while trying to recover. We lost various other free agents who started some games, and due to salary cap issues our additions were limited to very bottom dollar reserves types, so any impact will likely need to come from the draft. The only way to say we should expect to win the division is to conclude details don't matter. We do have some talented players and it might be possible, but we took a big hit to depth and starters, so it will take a lot of good fortune to win the division. Its pretty realistic to expect that the Bucs, after beating us in the last matchup and having 100x as much to work with as use in free agency, are better positioned to win the division. Something like 9-8 feels like a reasonable median to me, and I would rather our players see lower expectations externally and fight to prove themselves than take anything for granted here.

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As things stand right now i wouldn't say 9 wins is unfair

There are a couple of massive holes on the rosters and if it goes wrong in terms of CB2,LB or say Cam misses a few games there is little on that roster than is a guarantee of creating sacks. See what happens before August

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I have little confidence in either current QB leading us to over nine wins. I, of course, will predict a 20-0 season come September.

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I hate predicting records. Those teams during the 7-9 season years were better than a 7-9 team I felt. I know most fans feel this way, but I recall the Saints getting shafted often on calls in that post bounty gate era and those 7-9 seasons easily could have been 10 win seasons. For example, 2014-2016 were all 7-9 seasons;

2016 had 4 games lost by a FG or less and at least 3 others by 6 or less.
2015 had 5 games lost by a single score
2014 had 4 games lost by FG including 2 OT losses

My only point is I still believe the Saints have one of the better organizations in the league. Payton is one of the better coaches and play callers, and with Kamara, Thomas, Murray, Ram, etc the offense can be very effective. Winston is a much more physically gifted QB than Brees. Maybe Davenport stays healthy and steps up. Maybe Tuttle/Roach take the same steps forward T Tex did. Maybe Trautman is a stud and Callaway is the real deal and Harris stays healthy and the Saints stretch the field like some have been complaining about. I agree with Rugby’s thought that free agents will be signed as the offseason continues and players are cut. Honestly, 12 wins wouldn’t surprise me any more than 6 wins would.

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Grandstanding or just outright annoying people. That sounds more accurate then optimism. Either that or blindly believing in something to the point that they can't see fault. Which is probably more the case.

It's an ongoing and rampant issue with humanity right now. Especially in many facets of Amercian society.

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If JW is our starting qb we will be 6-10 to 7-9 at best.

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Glad to know you’re on his side

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If that was meant for me I am in no way pulling against JW. I’m just not drinking the koolaid. The dude is 2nd string at best

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Did we forget, WhoDats, that we are 8-1 with our backup QBs the past two years?

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Yeah but that team also had Rankins,Hendrickson,JackRabbit etc

As it stands right now

WR 2 Tre'Quan Smith
CB 2 Patrick Robinson

Then look at the 3rd string LB,DE and DT

This isn't the roster of the past 3 or 4 years.
Plenty of time to add some pieces but its not like there is a big pit of money to do it with.

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BS. Your attitude and statements towards him make it clear you do not want him to succeed.

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It's just his opinion. JW has to prove it. I'm not a believer in him right now either. The guy is an interception machine and doesn't seem very intelligent.

Why would he not want him to succeed?

I'll tell you this, I've never been a fan of the guy. Ever. Big deal.

But if he comes in and tears it up, I'll eat crow. But imo, if the front office saw something more in him, he'd have a bigger contract. Not a 1 year prove it deal.

Just my 2 cents.

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Yep JW is a turnover machine last season ... Throwing the ball ... Taysom is fumbling machine ... Which one wins out?

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It all depends on the draft. We have enough picks to improve the team, they need to be used wisely.

Good draft- 11-6
Average or poor draft- 6-11

Surprisingly, our defense is the biggest concern.

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I have no problem with doubting Winston. I doubt him too. But VD has gone way overboard in his criticism IMO. He’s exaggerated Winston’s turnovers, falsely claimed he was benched for Hill, makes hyperbolic statements about going undefeated and ignores any valid statistical observation about his performance when compared to other QBs. Doubting is one thing, blindly repeating “he sucks” with no other input is a personal grudge.

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What scares me even more than not having Drew Brees behind center is the significant chances of having to start the season with Patrick Robinson and PJ Williams as the starting CB's.

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Casey Hayward
Richard Sherman
A.J. Bouye

Three viable, veteran options at CB still available because of their age. They’re all around the same age as Jackrabbit.

Gareon Conley is still available seeing how Payton loves Ohio State DB’s. Dre Kirkpatrick and Artie Burns as well.

There are options. I’m positive we sign one of these guys and draft a cornerback in the draft.

Also...don’t discount Kwon Alexander returning on a 1 year, prove it deal following his injury to fill the whole at LB.

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If I wanted to argue I would be talking to my wife. I said what I said. Dude does great I’ll eat crow but IMO he is pure trash

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Ok his turnovers are easily looked up. 30 ints his last year starting. That’s all I need to know. And as him being benched for hill, what would you call it? He played like crap and hill replaced him

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You can't "bench" a QB that never started a game. Brees and Hill are the only two QB's that started a game for the Saints last season. Before the season Payton laid out the plan to start Hill if Brees was unable to go, but planned to bring in Winston if Brees got injured during a game. That is exactly how it played out.

It made perfect sense. Hill practiced all week every week for his role as Joker. Winston took second team snaps. In a given week Winston was better prepared to take over mid-game based upon that week's game plan. On the other hand, Hill was much more entrenched into the full playbook and it made sense for him to be the starter if Brees was unable to go.

As for Winston's 30 picks, it was double his average from previous seasons and came under Bruce Arians whose philosophy was to take chances downfield.

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2021 will be interesting to say the least & a few new faces on defense.

Let's see what happens. Can't wait.

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If that’s “All you need to know” then that’s ignorant and short sided. Winston’s 30 Int season came with 33 TDs, 5000 yards and a 7-9 record. In 2005, Favre had 29 INTs (that’s only 1 less BTW) with only 20 TDS, less than 4,000 yards and a 4-12 record. Would your “all you need to know” attitude thrown in the towel on Favre?

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Trash is an overstatement. He’s far from trash. Trash is Mason Rudolph or Chase Daniel. Some career back up that’s never accomplished anything. Winston is talented af.

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If we have a winning season I will be surprised. Not expecting much. We lost a lot of talent on defense and if Drew couldn’t get it done in his prime I have serious doubts as to weather or not Winston or Taysom will be able to get it done. Qb is the least of our worries.

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I think some are simply not a fan of the "person" and not the player regardless of what they see or don't see on Sundays.

But I agree, Jameis has serious ability and I'm glad Sean Payton and his staff thought enough of him to give him another chance at becoming a good NFL QB.

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True.

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And the next season Tom Brady won the super bowl with TB

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... after they abandoned Arians' offense and went with Brady's. Not to mention the fact that Brady may be the best QB to ever play the game. I'm no fan of Winston's either, but to say he's trash is simply incorrect. He could easily start for half the teams in the league.

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This has nothing to do with the Favre Comparison question I put to you which you avoided. But, if you want to point out that Brady (by most measures the greatest QB ever) won a SB with a Tampa team that had improved WRs, RBs, OL and D as evidence that Winston is a “trash” QB, I will again call that an ignorant statement. Would you care to answer my question about why Winston’s terrible 30 Int season with a net +4 TDS was so much worse than Favres 29 with a -9? Or Elway’s -7? Or any of the other SB winning QBs I pointed out in previous threads that clearly had worse seasons (Brees first two years vs Winston’s for example) than ANY season Winston has had? No, you don’t. You are just going to pull out the “He Sucks” narrative and hope you are right.

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K...seriously. Wth has Winston "shown" you on Sundays? Seriously the guy was a clown at TB and was a backup here for 1 year. Why is everyone hating on people that aren't sold on him yet?

They have every right to not be sold on him yet. Regardless if its because of his interceptions, his intelligence, his past, him being a QB and his previous team being a rival or his overall dorkiness. Hell he could've flipped them the bird when he was 8 years old.

Good hell, if the Saints signed Matty Shart or Cam, dude...I'd have a problem with it. Because I hate those guys! Lol!!

I doubt anyone is questioning if he has the physical gifts to do the job.

Point is, some people think he's the next face of the franchise. And some people think he's a waste of time.

None of it matters until he either proves some people right or some people wrong.

Regardless of anything, I'm sure everyone with an opinion about Winston all want want the same thing. What's best for the team.

But it's all just speculation on both sides right now.

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^^^^

IMO Jameis gives the Saints the best chance in 2021.

He has the pedigree, but simply lacked the maturity. Dude changed his diet, got married, had eye surgery & signed a minimum contract. JW wanted to sit back and learn from Brees for a complete season. All those signs point to a player that should improve.

If Jameis can throw for 4k, 25TDs & limit the INTs we all are contenders in the post season.

Personally I think he can keep us as contenders but hey that's just me. Can't wait for 2021 season. Lol, the NFL is hard.

By the way, you aren't playing QB in Sean Payton's system unless you are sharp. JW is a very intelligent young man.

Que, sera sera.

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Facts. He could have easily gone to Chicago or Washington and started.

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In fairness, not being sold on him is one thing. Being insulting of the player and his abilities while willfully ignoring his accomplishments is another.

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Agreed. I'm personally not sold on him as our future, but to label Winston as trash because of his interception total for one season is ridiculous. The same year he had the 30 picks he also led the entire league in yardage (5109) and was second in TD's (33) to only Lamar Jackson's 36.

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Before he came here I thought he was trash. Now that he's a Saint I'm supposed to give him a pass with no more information? Not happening. I have backed off of my inflammatory statements toward him. Actually, I think he gives us the best chance of winning this season. I have my reservations but I believe he has earned a second chance. Lord help us!

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If JW came to NO with the same credentials Farve has I would welcome him with open arms. Instead, he comes with a vet minimum 1yr deal because no one else wanted him. I don’t want him or Hill starting but I’d pick Hill over him all day. I want the Saints future to be drafted this year. Deep qb class will make someone fall to 28.

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Not true. He had offers from other teams he turned down. Another sign of your unwarranted evaluation of him.