PFF Draft Simulator

K Major · 04-08-2021, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

That's harsh JP

. Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

SmashMouth · 04-08-2021, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion...

Originally Posted by K Major

That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

I wonder why the Saints couldn't stop him against the Whiners in the playoffs game? If they do, they win the game and possibly another Tiffany.

jeanpierre · 04-08-2021, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league.

Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system.

K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game?

I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees?

Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes...

But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close...

Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark...

He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons...

For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career?

Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman?

For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...

rezburna · 04-09-2021, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game?

I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees?

Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes...

But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close...

Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark...

He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons...

For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career?

Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman?

For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...

I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez.

jeanpierre · 04-09-2021, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez.

Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work...

But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place...

rezburna · 04-09-2021, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work...

But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place...

True. #6 is really high to go and not go crazy.

Rugby Saint II · 04-09-2021, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work...

But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place...

And remember that the best players get drafted go to a crappy team with poor coaching and/or scheme fits. We have done well enough in the draft to have one of the best rosters for the last few years. This year we cleaned house and have plenty of room new faces.

AsylumGuido · 04-09-2021, 07:11 PM

Still waiting for the reasoning behind the motivation to pretend to draft. JP? K_Major? Smash? lee? Others?

iceshack149 · 04-10-2021, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Still waiting for the reasoning behind the motivation to pretend to draft. JP? K_Major? Smash? lee? Others?

How about this: Let the guys enjoy guessing what player ends up with the Saints in the offseason for their entertainment.

I honestly don't understand why you want to disrupt discussions by calling people out and being a miserable killjoy.

04-08-2021, 08:20 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion... That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. saintsfan1976 likes this.

04-08-2021, 10:55 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,551 Blog Entries: 29	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'm not sold on Pitts at all - the hype reminds me of former 49ers 1st round pick Vernon Davis, 6th overall; who was a bust in my opinion... Originally Posted by K Major That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. I wonder why the Saints couldn't stop him against the Whiners in the playoffs game? If they do, they win the game and possibly another Tiffany.

04-08-2021, 11:05 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by K Major That's harsh JP . Vernon didn't quite live up to the status but he was hardly a bust. A solid TE for years in this league. Pitts has the tools to become a very good player in the right system. K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game? I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees? Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes... But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close... Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark... He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons... For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career? Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman? For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick...
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04-09-2021, 07:52 AM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre K, play hindsight, consider - Was he anywhere near the hype of a TE who was gonna change the game? I don't think so. He had a couple of standout games (one in the playoffs I'd like to forget), but was he anywhere what Jimmy Graham was with Drew Brees? Secondly, for the No. 6 pick, did he really have that big an impact on the overall winning of that team? An impressive role player, contributor - yes... But did him taking the field elevate the team like a franchise QB, shut-down CB, Dominant D-Lineman, or an Alka-Seltzer Neutralizer on the offensive line? Not even close... Weigh his overall ranking amongst his peers at the position - Gronk, Graham, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, Greg Olsen, Dallas Clark... He never had 1000 ReYds in a season; only two (2) seasons of double digit ReTds (13), the 1st wasn't until Year 4; he avg just 3 ReTD avg in all the other seasons... For that pick, like Reggie Bush picked in the same draft, there was all that buzz, and well, just a solid career? Do really you want solid from the 6th pick? and not being an offensive lineman? For me, that's bust, maybe not Tony Mandarich bust, but a bust for that high a pick... I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez. saintsfan1976, jeanpierre and K Major like this.

04-09-2021, 08:51 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by rezburna I think he got drafted into the wrong offense. Never played with a great QB. If we had him in his prime he’d have numbers like Gonzalez. Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work... But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place... saintsfan1976 and rezburna like this.

04-09-2021, 09:58 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work... But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place... True. #6 is really high to go and not go crazy. jeanpierre likes this.

04-09-2021, 03:29 PM	#7
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by jeanpierre Maybe. But it's a bust pick if you invest that much and don't put things in place to make it all work... But great players, as should be drafted like that, are expected to elevate irregardless of who's in place... And remember that the best players get drafted go to a crappy team with poor coaching and/or scheme fits. We have done well enough in the draft to have one of the best rosters for the last few years. This year we cleaned house and have plenty of room new faces.

04-09-2021, 07:11 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Still waiting for the reasoning behind the motivation to pretend to draft. JP? K_Major? Smash? lee? Others?

04-10-2021, 12:10 PM	#9
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: PFF Draft Simulator Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Still waiting for the reasoning behind the motivation to pretend to draft. JP? K_Major? Smash? lee? Others? How about this: Let the guys enjoy guessing what player ends up with the Saints in the offseason for their entertainment. I honestly don't understand why you want to disrupt discussions by calling people out and being a miserable killjoy. jnormand and FinSaint like this.