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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up. There is an unfortunate narrative that we may: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/ I think this narrative is flawed. Claiming we can afford to get less players because ...

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Old 04-29-2021, 10:37 AM   #1
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I hope we don't trade up.

Unless we are finding the next Patrick Maholmes etc, I hope we do not trade up.

There is an unfortunate narrative that we may:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-first-round/

I think this narrative is flawed. Claiming we can afford to get less players because we have no holes is a joke. We lost one starting CB and have major legal troubles for the other. Our #1 receiver is recovering from injuries that sometimes have setbacks and our #2 receiver left in free agency so we are depending on TreQuiet Smith to make noise. We also let our top receiving tight end go, and I am not sure we have 1000 careeer receiving yards on the roster at the TE position. We also lost our sack leader. Our defense was great with Kwon Alexander but he got hurt, and we let his backup Mr Glass walk, so I don't know what world we are set at linebacker. So clearly we have holes on the roster.

If we want to trade our 6th and 7th round picks to move up in the 4th round thats fine, but to say we have no room on the roster for 3rd and 4th round picks is a lie. Also even if we didn't have any holes on the roster, which we obviously do, that would only free up trading this years picks. We definitely have holes on the roster for 2022, considering tons of people are not under contract or will be a year older, such as no QB under contract. But a big move would require trading next years picks too, which I really hope we don't do, as we have to give those away at 40% discount.

Also, I will tell you one player a good draft pick could displace: Marcus Davenport who we traded up for, is always injured, and plays mediocre. I will also tell you a player who was displaced by a 3rd round pick in the past: Mark Ingram, who we traded up for in the 1st round. So if history tells us anything, its that if we trade up in the 1st round because we don't have any starters who could be displaced by a rookie, we will solve that problem by overpaying for a starter who can be displaced for a rookie.

Lets be the bank this year. Collect the interest don't pay it. If we don't have holes, great, answer the calls of teams looking to trade up to our picks, take their future picks, and then we will have lots of picks in 2022 and 2023 when we will definitely have holes. If our front office can't wait until the end of the first round to pick, they should talk to their doctor about appropriate medications. Patience is a virtue and nobody except a QB is worth trading up, as we see with the Falcons trying to pawn off Julio now while never getting a ring.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:39 AM   #2
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Re: I hope we don't trade up.

Prepare to be disappointed my friend.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:42 AM   #3
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Prepare to be disappointed my friend.
It's like when I take my daughter to the amusement park hoping she won't want an overpriced toy. Mickey Loomis has similar impulse control. Can someone give him a bottle of milk and hope he passes out in the stroller?
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:58 AM   #4
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I understand your points bako, but your first sentence betrays all the other points you make because the Chiefs got Mahomes BY TRADING UP. Yeah, Davenport didn’t work out, but trading picks to move into position to draft Kamara DID work out. So did trading up to get Ingram who became the teams second all time leading rusher. I’m not saying I want them to move up, but it’s certainly no Guarantee of failure.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:24 AM   #5
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Re: I hope we don't trade up.

If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback.
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I understand your points bako, but your first sentence betrays all the other points you make because the Chiefs got Mahomes BY TRADING UP. Yeah, Davenport didn’t work out, but trading picks to move into position to draft Kamara DID work out. So did trading up to get Ingram who became the teams second all time leading rusher. I’m not saying I want them to move up, but it’s certainly no Guarantee of failure.
Whose to say Davenport didn't work out? He may very well end up being a perennial All Pro for all we know. He's dealt with some injuries that can and do happen to most every player at one point in their careers that have hampered his play, but he has had flashes of greatness.

As for me, I hope they do move up since that means instead of waiting for whatever happens to fall they are making certain they get exactly who they want. I'll honestly be disappointed if they do not move up ... at least once. No picks are guaranteed successes, but it has been proven that the higher the pick the odds are greater for success.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:26 AM   #7
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Yeah I've got a very uneasy feeling right now...we're gonna pull some crazy ish today aren't we lol
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:27 AM   #8
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Yeah I've got a very uneasy feeling right now...we're gonna pull some crazy ish today aren't we lol
I hope so.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:29 AM   #9
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If they're swinging, it better be for a franchise quarterback.
I doubt there are more than a couple of "franchise QB's" in the entire draft. QB's are always way over-hyped.
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Old 04-29-2021, 11:35 AM   #10
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Whose to say Davenport didn't work out? He may very well end up being a perennial All Pro for all we know. He's dealt with some injuries that can and do happen to most every player at one point in their careers that have hampered his play, but he has had flashes of greatness.

As for me, I hope they do move up since that means instead of waiting for whatever happens to fall they are making certain they get exactly who they want. I'll honestly be disappointed if they do not move up ... at least once. No picks are guaranteed successes, but it has been proven that the higher the pick the odds are greater for success.
I’m saying Davenport hasn’t worked out at the cost of two first round picks.
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