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We all want to steal talent in the draft, like we did with Kamara. While this guy was speedily trending up in the DE rankings pre-draft, there is chance we did this with this kid. He was a DT converted to a DE. His numbers for such a short stint at DE are eyeopening. He has a wingspan of a 747 (what NFL hall of famer had such a similar wingspan?) . And most importantly, his IQ is off the charts.
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R1 (28) NEW ORLEANS SAINTS: EDGE PAYTON TURNER, HOUSTON Pick Grade: Below Average Turner might be the biggest surprise first-round pick thus far. He broke out on a small sample in 2020 against subpar competition with a 90.0 pass-rush grade across four starts but has a coveted physical profile. He’s 6-foot-6 and 270 pounds with 35-inch arms and plays a physical game. Turner is also a versatile piece with impressive bend for his size. It’s a risky bet that could pay off big for the Saints, but there were other directions they should have gone here. |
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They could have taken the risk of drafting another player(one of more need since, as best, he will be part of a rotation at DE and the team is in need of a good LB say) at 28 and trading up in the second for Payton. By most accounts, they overpaid. |
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And as for those "most accounts", those are the same people. You are proposing that the Saints draft for need over drafting who they have determined is the best player available. I certainly hope they never do that. |
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Bottom line is it smells to me of Baptiste, Davenport and other “reaches” the team has taken on draft prospects that were surprise moves according to draft analysts. I felt good about Lattimore pick at the time. I don’t feel good about this one. Maybe I’m wrong and they hit on a Kamara.
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No I’m not. You’re wrong
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The upside at least, is it still addressed D and at a coveted position. And unlike Davenport, at least Turner has drive and works hard. I'm not going to try to convince myself I like this pick because that'll just annoy me...but I'll at least leave it as a wait & see, he could work out well and be a solid player for us. |
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Take that PFF grade on Turner with a grain of salt.
They've been wrong a lot in their evaluations of 1st rounders over the years. |
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The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right? |
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You have Jordan. You signed Davenport’s 5th year option. You sign Kpassagnon, a 6’ 7” physical freak as a free agent. Then draft another DE project in the first round when he was from a non power conference and not rated as a first round pick. Spin that all you want, Putting it kindly it’s a questionable pick.
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Looks like a rotation to me. And Payton even references the rotation in his interview: Last year, when you drafted (Cesar) Ruiz you said, we did not draft him to sit. Is that something you could say about (Payton) Turner, like a guy you could see contribute? "He'll play and earn those reps his first year. I think we've always done a really good job at developing a rotation and working with typically a good gameday number of eight (defensive linemen) usually. So we'll have a clear vision for his role." At the same time you guys also picked up the option on Marcus Davenport, obviously there's room for three defensive ends to play in that rotation. Do you feel like he has a lot of room still to grow? "Look, there will be more than three defensive ends. These guys, if they have the traits that we feel like they have, we have more depth and we feel like it's like, look it's a passing game. And we feel like it's an important position." |
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I understand that you don't understand. You are basing your opinion on what you read from others that don't make real decisions. :D |
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In my opinion you just gave a great reason for the pick. In a division with slow QB'S the Saints have huge, athletic monsters on the D-line. That's the recipe for winning and the Giants proved that when they kept the Patriots from having an undefeated season. |
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I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. |
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Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in. |
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Whether Turner was the right player only time will tell, just like every draft pick, but the strategy was certainly a good one. Not to mention we have one if not the best def line coaches in the league.
I'm anxious to see what direction we move on Day 2 & 3 of the draft. |
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The thing about Kamara , we moved up to get him in the 3rd round is not like moving up in the 1st rd that we all think Davenport should have made more waves. If Kamara was a bust had not made the team it would have been o well we didn’t loose 2 first rd picks , but Davenport is not a bust (Yet) I’ll determine that after this season.[emoji872] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out... |
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Bust like Davenport. The Saints needed a CB, LB, and DT . The next pick will be an OT.
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Sheldon Rankins
Michael Thomas Vonn Bell David Onyemata Daniel Lasco Marshon Lattimore Ryan Ramczyk Marcus Williams Alvin Kamara Alex Anzalone Trey Hendrickson Al-Quadin Muhammad Marcus Davenport (+2019 1st) Tre'Quan Smith Rick Leonard Natrell Jamerson Kamrin Moore Boston Scott Will Clapp Erik McCoy Chauncey Gardner-Johnson Saquan Hampton Alize Mack Kaden Elliss Cesar Ruiz Zack Baun Adam Trautman Tommy Stevens Drafting since 2016 Feels they started believing the hype after 2017 and that they are so much clever that other teams. Since that 2017 draft there is only 2 players you can call a out and out success in McCoy and CGJ. Trautman may or may not progress as a starter. When you want to throw so much cap at just a few very special players you need to be finding solid starting level guys in the draft. Free agents next year QB Winston Hill LT Terron Armstead RT Ryan Ramczyk CB Lattimore FS M. Williams DE Carl Granderson DT Shy Tuttle All bar Hill/Winston and Granderson expected to start this year Cap liabilities in 2022 $188ml with only 30 players Yeah some will say the 2023 cap will rocket but so will salaries of every player in the league. The Saints are currently set to pay Armstead 13ml Hill 8.9ml Brees 11.5ml Winston 3m Not to be on the roster in 2022, $36.4 million of the cap in dead money. Even if they resign Armstead,Hill and Winston you only push that forward. |
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I have no issue with drafting another DE, I just don't think he was the best option at the time.
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Maybe not first round pick; but it's time... |
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I reserve judgement until the whole draft is done, because it has to be viewed in its entirety along with the following UDFA signings.
I didn't spend any time this year learning about the players entering the draft, so I'm not disappointed by the pick as I have no vested interest in any of the players. Furthermore, I'm actually happy they stayed in their spot and picked the BPA. Some of the comments here are pretty hyperbole, and while I understand that people are very emotional about everything that has to do with the Saints - I'd wish folks could be more relaxed about it all. Here I am relaxing after the sauna at my lakeside cabin in Finland drinking beer, wearing a Saints' jersey and waiting for the draft to continue - excited to see who'll join the Saints. :bng: |
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The pick was one of need. Maybe not the biggest need. The limited film I’ve seen has me excited. Fans always think they’re the experts. I always wait for judgement. Just glad we didn’t trade up for a qb.
And I can’t help but laugh at those calling Davenport a bust. It’s obvious you don’t watch football. |
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Buffalo, Ravens & Tampa were all eyeing him with a strong possibility of selecting at the end of the first rd. |
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I've visited Helsinki twice, mostly for business, got a tour of some of the islands and surroundings. It's lovely in Finland. The company I used to work for is based there. |
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Boston ,Mattie asre wipe won’t have time to throw to pitts or anyone else if they didn’t upgrade there o-line, to me they got greedy at 4th pick Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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