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So much that I agree with here, shawnky!

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So, I don’t think I’ve ever used the term Bust (I may be wrong), but you think Davenport’s production up to this point in his career has been worthy of 2 first round picks? If so, you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think.

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All the propaganda has gotten to me. We really won't know for about another year, but for now, I'm excited and want to see him on the field! Fingers crossed for great players in the next two days.

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Copied from my post in another thread ...

Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd?

Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders.

Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think."

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Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 

From what I've read the Saints tried really hard to move up. I'm glad that they still have draft capital and can fill in some holes.

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I'm hoping they use that capital to move up a couple of times. The talent available in rounds five through seven aren't much different than the UDFA's. That's where some of the rest of the holes can be filled, don't you think?

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Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

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The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss.

History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world.

Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best.

Any issue with that?

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Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

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Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!

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It’s unfortunate that you are unable/unwilling to see The possible connection between this pick and some of the other draft moves that Resulted in misses that the organization has made in the past. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that the team had historically been Linebacker Thin when they refuse to spend any significant draft capital on the position. Jury is still out on Baun.

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Sorry to enlighten you to this fact, Boston, but not every pick works out. Whoa! Gnarly, dude! No crap?

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When the hell did I say they ever did? Way to straw man.

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You were trying to connect pick results from earlier drafts to future ones. Go back. You spelled that out quite clearly. That's exactly what you said.

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No, I was pointing out the similarities in reaching for a pick like Baptiste and seeing him fail and spending 2 higher draft picks (since you were triggered by me saying first rounders) on Davenport and having him clearly not living up to that investment and this years first round pick. How you got me saying every draft pick should be a hit is beyond comprehension. I’m guessing you knew that and are just being adversarial. Otherwise you aren’t very good at reading comprehension.

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Injuries never warrant someone being labeled a "bust." When the man is on the field, he's a disruptive force. He has constantly put pressure on opposing QBs. He gets sacks and opens things up for others to make plays. He went in the draft where most had him. The Saints did what they had to in order to have him on the roster, and it was probably the biggest need at the time. I'm simply a couch potato scout like everyone else here. Everything I've stated on the topic is truth.

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I can admit when we take someone who is a bust. Jonathan Sullivan was a bust that cost us 2 picks. Davenport is nowhere near the same category.

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Excellent input.

Why others cannot comprehend is baffling.

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I'm thinking the injury bug is why people keep calling him that. It's ridiculous. His play on the field says otherwise. I'm hoping he can finally stay healthy this year. Everyone will shut up if and when that happens.

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I know. It's like they don't watch the games.

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You both act like injuries aren’t part of the game. Newsflash...they are! Don’t you two watch the games? It’s like you don’t (end review of your sanctimonious sarcasm for those that have a different viewpoint). Putting two first round picks into one player rather than two players doubles the risk of injury on your investment. Do you not think that some of us fit that into the equation? That’s part of the reach/risk.

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Every player at one point or another will suffer injuries. Do you not draft any of them?

:p

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I in no way implied that. There's no use in beating a dead horse here. Just going to make a point of factual matter again.....injuries don't make someone a bust. That isn't an opinion.

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I've been forced to beat this same poor horse beyond death, shawnky. I doesn't seem to register to some.

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Do you spend two first round picks on every one of them? 🤔

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No, but when you do spend two very late first rounders (basically two high second rounders) you have no clue the player will suffer a turf toe injury and miss time before perhaps eventually becoming a perennial All Pro.

Don't get your point.

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Well heck, if you say it it must be so ! 🙄

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Lol... Yawn. So important to be right, not sure why.

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Sorry Sub. Apparently it’s not cool to have the opinion Davenport hasn’t lived up to the 2 first round draft picks spent on him.

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Having an opinion is cool, just realize others have opinions as well. Your opinion as well as others are just that, an opinion, subjective. If it is subjective, there is no certain right or wrong.

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Not on an island, but on a secluded lake. Island cottages are a pain to transfer stuff there and from, and we use our cottages around the year, so it's important to be able to just drive straight to the driveway.

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Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick
 

Well I’m gonna give y’all my opinion on Turner, IMO he is a reach and a good one perhaps, but a day 2 pick not a 1


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Nice to finally get some sunlight and actually feel the warmth of the sun when it's out...

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There a good chance he was going day one even if we didn't take him. He absolutely wouldn't have been there at pick 60. Picks #30, #31, and #32 were all edge rushers, as well.

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And you have no way in hell of knowing that. But you are not mature enough to admit that.

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For me picking at #28 seems more like a high 2nd round draft selection.

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Well, it was briefly raining sleet today, so a normal kind of Finnish weather for the 1st of May celebrations.

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That's pretty much what it is, but with a fifth year option.

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Damn Finn you in England, right


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