Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Yep. And I also hate how it's basically Payton/Loomis admitting they blew it on the Davenport pick. The whole thing's just frustrating, and disappointing when there's obvious massive holes at CB2 & OLB. I'm sure they'll still address those holes on Day 2/3, but it's not going to be a first round blue chip talent we wanted to see there.

The upside at least, is it still addressed D and at a coveted position. And unlike Davenport, at least Turner has drive and works hard. I'm not going to try to convince myself I like this pick because that'll just annoy me...but I'll at least leave it as a wait & see, he could work out well and be a solid player for us.

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

ChrisXVI · 04-30-2021, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.

The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson.

The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

ChrisXVI · 04-30-2021, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson.

The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

Our DE’s don’t really play a rotation. Our DT’s sub in and out based on down and distance. Cam Jordan plays damn near every snap and the other DE spot has just been filled by role players because we haven’t found the right guy. I’m thinking Turner is the answer.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Our DE’s don’t really play a rotation. Our DT’s sub in and out based on down and distance. Cam Jordan plays damn near every snap and the other DE spot has just been filled by role players because we haven’t found the right guy. I’m thinking Turner is the answer.

Here's their snap counts for 2020:

Cameron Jordan	DE	0%	816	78.01%
Trey Hendrickson	DE	0%	558	53.35%
Marcus Davenport	DE	0%	374	35.76%
Carl Granderson	DE	0%	291	27.82%

Looks like a rotation to me.

And Payton even references the rotation in his interview:

Last year, when you drafted (Cesar) Ruiz you said, we did not draft him to sit. Is that something you could say about (Payton) Turner, like a guy you could see contribute?

"He'll play and earn those reps his first year. I think we've always done a really good job at developing a rotation and working with typically a good gameday number of eight (defensive linemen) usually. So we'll have a clear vision for his role."

At the same time you guys also picked up the option on Marcus Davenport, obviously there's room for three defensive ends to play in that rotation. Do you feel like he has a lot of room still to grow?

"Look, there will be more than three defensive ends. These guys, if they have the traits that we feel like they have, we have more depth and we feel like it's like, look it's a passing game. And we feel like it's an important position."

iceshack149 · 04-30-2021, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

SmashMouth · 04-30-2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson.

Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment.

Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in.

Sainters7 · 04-30-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season.

I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...

04-30-2021, 10:25 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Sainters7 Yep. And I also hate how it's basically Payton/Loomis admitting they blew it on the Davenport pick. The whole thing's just frustrating, and disappointing when there's obvious massive holes at CB2 & OLB. I'm sure they'll still address those holes on Day 2/3, but it's not going to be a first round blue chip talent we wanted to see there. The upside at least, is it still addressed D and at a coveted position. And unlike Davenport, at least Turner has drive and works hard. I'm not going to try to convince myself I like this pick because that'll just annoy me...but I'll at least leave it as a wait & see, he could work out well and be a solid player for us. What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead.

04-30-2021, 10:28 AM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy.

04-30-2021, 10:32 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by ChrisXVI To play devil’s advocate, Hendrickson was filling Davenport’s void so it only stands to reason that Turner will be doing the same as Davenport has never been healthy. The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson. The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right?

04-30-2021, 10:43 AM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The DE's play a rotation. They will continue to play a rotation. We'll see Jordan, Davenport, Turner, and Granderson, just as we saw Jordan, Davenport, Hendrickson, and Granderson. The difference is that I see Turner as having far more upside than Hendrickson. You know he got his nickname T-Rex because of his short arms, right? Our DE’s don’t really play a rotation. Our DT’s sub in and out based on down and distance. Cam Jordan plays damn near every snap and the other DE spot has just been filled by role players because we haven’t found the right guy. I’m thinking Turner is the answer. iceshack149 likes this.

04-30-2021, 12:14 PM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,335 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. SmashMouth likes this.

04-30-2021, 12:20 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. At least we picked up his option so we have him at least through 2022. But, all the more reason to get another DE.

04-30-2021, 12:22 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by iceshack149 I admit, I'm a bitter Saints fan but I can see Davenport balling out this season and another team will pick him up next year... just like Hendrickson. Fairpoint... a la Mark ingram. Both Ingram and Daveport are players we overspent on in terms of draft capital vs what we got in return on investment. Turner may be our next Cameron Jordan. If you compare his bio vs that of the Penn St DE rated higher that went shortly after, you'd probably reach the very same conclusions, even without the benefit of the pre-craft scouting work the Saints put in. iceshack149 likes this.

04-30-2021, 01:00 PM	#9
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What makes you think Turner is a replacement for Davenport? I expect Davenport to be around for years and to be a force. Turner is filling Hendrickson's void, instead. I've been high on Davenport his whole career ("if only he could stay healthy..") until mid last year. Dude finally put together a string of games...and did nothing. I think he's got a bit of that Johnathan Sullivan-vibe in the sense he just doesn't have that hunger or love for the game (at least Turner has the drive). I just don't see him getting to that next level I always envisioned him hitting until last season. I'll happily be wrong though, I like your prediction better. I just don't see it happening at this point. Guess I just saw this move as the Saints trying to move on and admit they messed up in 2018 Draft (I know they picked up his option, but I see it more as a "one last chance" type move). We'll see how it all shakes out...
Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48