Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Copied from my post in another thread ...

Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd?

Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders.

Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think."

Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss.

History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world.

Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best.

Any issue with that?

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss.

History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world.

Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best.

Any issue with that?

Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!

It’s unfortunate that you are unable/unwilling to see The possible connection between this pick and some of the other draft moves that Resulted in misses that the organization has made in the past. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that the team had historically been Linebacker Thin when they refuse to spend any significant draft capital on the position. Jury is still out on Baun.

AsylumGuido · 04-30-2021, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

It’s unfortunate that you are unable/unwilling to see The possible connection between this pick and some of the other draft moves that Resulted in misses that the organization has made in the past. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that the team had historically been Linebacker Thin when they refuse to spend any significant draft capital on the position. Jury is still out on Baun.

Sorry to enlighten you to this fact, Boston, but not every pick works out. Whoa! Gnarly, dude! No crap?

Boston Saint · 04-30-2021, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sorry to enlighten you to this fact, Boston, but not every pick works out. Whoa! Gnarly, dude! No crap?

When the hell did I say they ever did? Way to straw man.

04-30-2021, 06:35 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Copied from my post in another thread ... Would you have felt better had the cost for Davenport been two 2nd's and a 3rd? Well, given the fact that the two firsts were both at the tail-end of the round the value of the two scenarios are virtually identical. I keep hearing "two 1st round picks". They are not much different than two high 2nd rounders. Once picks are made it is ridiculous to dwell on them. Water under the bridge. I'll guarantee you that anyone truly in the business of football do not equate a player's production to where they were picked. That is fan mentality. You know, those people that "don’t know nearly as much about football as you think." Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated.

04-30-2021, 06:48 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Pardon me if I find your “guarantee” less then trustworthy. This is where some cross over into the “afraid to criticize” Loomis/Payton that others point out. Your Pollyanish Frozen gif just demonstrates that. If you are too scared to review and criticize the mistakes of the past then they are going to be repeated. The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss. History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world. Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best. Any issue with that?

04-30-2021, 07:00 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The past is the past. There has never been anyone that was in charge of NFL draft selections that didn't have a miss. Not to say at all that your claim of Davenport's selection was a miss. History is repeated. That's every draft pick isn't a success. Surprise! Welcome to the real world. Now let's just enjoy and hope for the best. Any issue with that? Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to.

04-30-2021, 07:20 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not as long as you don’t have an issue with others criticizing the pick, which you seem to. Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL!

04-30-2021, 07:32 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Only when it is repeated ad nauseum. If you didn't like it when it was made then, cool! But complain away if it makes you feel better. LOL! It’s unfortunate that you are unable/unwilling to see The possible connection between this pick and some of the other draft moves that Resulted in misses that the organization has made in the past. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that the team had historically been Linebacker Thin when they refuse to spend any significant draft capital on the position. Jury is still out on Baun.

04-30-2021, 07:44 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,852	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by Boston Saint It’s unfortunate that you are unable/unwilling to see The possible connection between this pick and some of the other draft moves that Resulted in misses that the organization has made in the past. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that the team had historically been Linebacker Thin when they refuse to spend any significant draft capital on the position. Jury is still out on Baun. Sorry to enlighten you to this fact, Boston, but not every pick works out. Whoa! Gnarly, dude! No crap?

04-30-2021, 07:47 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints draft Houston DE Payton Turner with first-round pick Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sorry to enlighten you to this fact, Boston, but not every pick works out. Whoa! Gnarly, dude! No crap? When the hell did I say they ever did? Way to straw man.