Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft

jeanpierre · 05-10-2021, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am so glad that you brought up the 2017 draft, JP! We had seven (7) picks in that draft and six of the seven picks were in the top three rounds! The loan pick outside of the first three rounds (6th for DE Muhahhud) was the only one of the bunch not to develop into starter material This supports the premise that moving out of the latter rounds into the upper rounds gives more chance for success. Beyond the very occasional Colston type hit in a late round, the Saints success has come in the top three rounds FAR more consistently than later.

2006 was a successful anomaly in the annals of Saints drafting with eight picks. Not only did they get lucky with Colston late, but Strief, as well. As the old saying goes, a blind hog can find an acorn. Reggie Bush and Roman Harper were successful picks in that draft per their round one and two selections. Jahri Evans was a pleasant surprise in round four. The three remaining players selected in rounds five and six played a disappointing THREE total games between them in a Saints uniform. But, not bad for the pre-Ireland era.

*lone

And you're wrong, Muhammad did develop as he was for the Colts what Trey What's His Name (As you so disrespectfully refer) Hendrickson-role...

Also, the Saints did learn their lesson the next year in finally releasing an old, incapable veteran in favor of Granderson, who took advantage of his snaps...

Sean is slowly learning as a coach in the NFL, you do have to put in the time and coach the rookies up as well, as it does pay off...

Euphoria · 05-10-2021, 07:23 PM

Well next year the saying its going to be one of the best drafts...

If that is the case stockpile every pick we can get and just snag everyone ya can.

BakoSaint · 05-10-2021, 10:11 PM

The value of earlier vs later round picks needs to be taken in the context of the value of present year vs future year picks. You can often trade this years 3rd rounder for a 2nd rounder next year, or trade a late 1st round pick this year for a pick that could be #1 overall for all you know next year. So if you don't have room on your roster for all your draft picks, a reasonable strategy is to trade those picks for higher picks the next year. If you don't think you can find a good player in the 4th round, then instead of trading this years 4th and 5th rounders and next years 3rd rounder to move back into the 3rd round this year, trade this years 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder next year, and have two 3rd rounders next year instead of none. If you keep doing this and stockpiling picks, eventually you may have to trade up, but you won't have to mortgage the future to do it. I don't care that much whether we trade up or down. What I care is that we are lenders not borrowers. Taking out a cash advance on the credit card and paying the bank double digit interest is not a winner move. If we don't value late round picks despite all the history of Evans, Nicks, Colston, and guys like Tom Brady, fine, trade them away. But trade them for higher picks next year.

How awesome would it be if we set a goal: trade a 7th round pick next year for a 6th round pick in 2023, trade the 6th round pick in 2023 for a 5th round pick in 2024, trade the 5th round pick in 2024 for a 4th round pick in 2025, trade the 4th round pick in 2025 for a 3rd round pick in 2026, trade the 3rd round pick in 2026 for a 2nd round pick in 2027, trade the 2nd round pick in 2027 for a 1st round pick in 2028 from a playoff team likely to pick late in the round, trade the late 1st round pick in 2028 for a 1st round pick in 2029 from a losing team desperate to save its GM's job. If that pick in 2029 is early in the round, take an elite player, if not trade it again for a 1st round pick from a desperate team. The 2022 7th round pick could be our elite franchise QB early 1st round pick in 2029-2030. No reason it can't work. All we have to do is be the lender not the debtor. Rich dad poor dad. Live debt free. Win.

FinSaint · 05-11-2021, 07:15 AM

Hendrickson's development was negatively affected mainly by his injuries not by others being vastly better than him outside of Jordan.

We'll see how he does with the Bengals... he might very likely never again get close to the season he had.

jeanpierre · 05-12-2021, 11:04 PM

Now add up the New Orleans Saints All Pro Honors by round...

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 01:13 AM

Now, want to point something out about trading back into the draft...

In cases like Kamara, we traded a future No 2 to gain an add'l pick to take him in R3...

Full disclosure, was skeptical about the pick that early as still not convinced other teams were going to snag him...

However, it was one pick - one player, and we got him a season early, so that's one of the reasons I don't criticize those moves as much...

But when you put multiple picks into one player, e.g. Davenport two firsts and a fifth, you are eliminating two potential prospects from your pool...

Judging by how much more successful the Saints are in later rounds vs league, the history is encouraging and should reinforce trust in later round values...

And I'd say our best rounds, or rather our difference-making rounds, have been in rounds 3 & 4...

One other comment, besides the obvious gold we've found in Round 7, the reason why those R7 can be valuable is to secure rights from the UDFA pool...

As the roster improved, especially with Ireland on board, we weren't as successful recruiting UDFAs despite our elite success in that player pool...

With the R7 pick, you can make sure you get that one player you still want there; i.e., Sean traded back in when Tommy Stevens was gonna side with Carolina...

Now, Sean got caught trying to sneak Stevens onto the Practice Squad and lost him, but it showed one of the ways the R7 pick can be as valuable...

AsylumGuido · 05-14-2021, 11:12 AM

Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

K Major · 05-14-2021, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley

.

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley .

Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift.

Indeed fortunate to flip a former first round pick we'd slightly reached (Brandin Cooks) to get an elite offensive tackle (Ryan Ramczyk)...

Incidentally, football gods may have been bringing balance as the R3 pick we traded to New England was used by the Patriots to take John Thuney...

And one that our late friend, Hagan, had called...

jeanpierre · 05-14-2021, 09:44 PM

When you take in the total history and accumulation of data, as demonstrated, it's clearly evident the Saints do better with more picks...

...irregardless of the round...

05-10-2021, 07:23 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Well next year the saying its going to be one of the best drafts... If that is the case stockpile every pick we can get and just snag everyone ya can. SmashMouth and st thomas like this.

05-10-2021, 10:11 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft The value of earlier vs later round picks needs to be taken in the context of the value of present year vs future year picks. You can often trade this years 3rd rounder for a 2nd rounder next year, or trade a late 1st round pick this year for a pick that could be #1 overall for all you know next year. So if you don't have room on your roster for all your draft picks, a reasonable strategy is to trade those picks for higher picks the next year. If you don't think you can find a good player in the 4th round, then instead of trading this years 4th and 5th rounders and next years 3rd rounder to move back into the 3rd round this year, trade this years 4th rounder for a 3rd rounder next year, and have two 3rd rounders next year instead of none. If you keep doing this and stockpiling picks, eventually you may have to trade up, but you won't have to mortgage the future to do it. I don't care that much whether we trade up or down. What I care is that we are lenders not borrowers. Taking out a cash advance on the credit card and paying the bank double digit interest is not a winner move. If we don't value late round picks despite all the history of Evans, Nicks, Colston, and guys like Tom Brady, fine, trade them away. But trade them for higher picks next year. How awesome would it be if we set a goal: trade a 7th round pick next year for a 6th round pick in 2023, trade the 6th round pick in 2023 for a 5th round pick in 2024, trade the 5th round pick in 2024 for a 4th round pick in 2025, trade the 4th round pick in 2025 for a 3rd round pick in 2026, trade the 3rd round pick in 2026 for a 2nd round pick in 2027, trade the 2nd round pick in 2027 for a 1st round pick in 2028 from a playoff team likely to pick late in the round, trade the late 1st round pick in 2028 for a 1st round pick in 2029 from a losing team desperate to save its GM's job. If that pick in 2029 is early in the round, take an elite player, if not trade it again for a 1st round pick from a desperate team. The 2022 7th round pick could be our elite franchise QB early 1st round pick in 2029-2030. No reason it can't work. All we have to do is be the lender not the debtor. Rich dad poor dad. Live debt free. Win.
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05-11-2021, 07:15 AM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Hendrickson's development was negatively affected mainly by his injuries not by others being vastly better than him outside of Jordan. We'll see how he does with the Bengals... he might very likely never again get close to the season he had. iceshack149, SmashMouth and K Major like this.

05-12-2021, 11:04 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft *Now add up the New Orleans Saints* All Pro Honors by round...**

05-14-2021, 01:13 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Now, want to point something out about trading back into the draft... In cases like Kamara, we traded a future No 2 to gain an add'l pick to take him in R3... Full disclosure, was skeptical about the pick that early as still not convinced other teams were going to snag him... However, it was one pick - one player, and we got him a season early, so that's one of the reasons I don't criticize those moves as much... But when you put multiple picks into one player, e.g. Davenport two firsts and a fifth, you are eliminating two potential prospects from your pool... Judging by how much more successful the Saints are in later rounds vs league, the history is encouraging and should reinforce trust in later round values... And I'd say our best rounds, or rather our difference-making rounds, have been in rounds 3 & 4... One other comment, besides the obvious gold we've found in Round 7, the reason why those R7 can be valuable is to secure rights from the UDFA pool... As the roster improved, especially with Ireland on board, we weren't as successful recruiting UDFAs despite our elite success in that player pool... With the R7 pick, you can make sure you get that one player you still want there; i.e., Sean traded back in when Tommy Stevens was gonna side with Carolina... Now, Sean got caught trying to sneak Stevens onto the Practice Squad and lost him, but it showed one of the ways the R7 pick can be as valuable... SmashMouth likes this.
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05-10-2021, 12:23 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am so glad that you brought up the 2017 draft, JP! We had seven (7) picks in that draft and six of the seven picks were in the top three rounds! The loan pick outside of the first three rounds (6th for DE Muhahhud) was the only one of the bunch not to develop into starter material This supports the premise that moving out of the latter rounds into the upper rounds gives more chance for success. Beyond the very occasional Colston type hit in a late round, the Saints success has come in the top three rounds FAR more consistently than later. 2006 was a successful anomaly in the annals of Saints drafting with eight picks. Not only did they get lucky with Colston late, but Strief, as well. As the old saying goes, a blind hog can find an acorn. Reggie Bush and Roman Harper were successful picks in that draft per their round one and two selections. Jahri Evans was a pleasant surprise in round four. The three remaining players selected in rounds five and six played a disappointing THREE total games between them in a Saints uniform. But, not bad for the pre-Ireland era. *lone And you're wrong, Muhammad did develop as he was for the Colts what Trey What's His Name (As you so disrespectfully refer) Hendrickson-role... Also, the Saints did learn their lesson the next year in finally releasing an old, incapable veteran in favor of Granderson, who took advantage of his snaps... Sean is slowly learning as a coach in the NFL, you do have to put in the time and coach the rookies up as well, as it does pay off... gosaints1 likes this.

05-14-2021, 11:12 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later.

05-14-2021, 11:27 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Our best class was clearly 2017 and that's because we had six of our seven picks in the top three rounds. What could have been better? Perhaps six picks in the first two rounds. Or five picks in the first two rounds. But mainly, it's being able to get the player that you want dearly in whichever round without missing out on them by taking a chance and waiting to see if they are still there later. It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley . Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

05-14-2021, 09:47 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft Originally Posted by K Major It's really hard to argue against that 2017 Saints draft class. A few All Pros and quality starters. Thank goodness the brain trust didn't get Reuben Foster or Tak McKinley . Getting Ramz at the bottom of the 1st was a gift. Indeed fortunate to flip a former first round pick we'd slightly reached (Brandin Cooks) to get an elite offensive tackle (Ryan Ramczyk)... Incidentally, football gods may have been bringing balance as the R3 pick we traded to New England was used by the Patriots to take John Thuney... And one that our late friend, Hagan, had called... K Major likes this.

05-14-2021, 09:44 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints projected to receive three comp picks in 2022 NFL draft When you take in the total history and accumulation of data, as demonstrated, it's clearly evident the Saints do better with more picks... ...irregardless of the round...